KJV Holy Bible being scruntized much more closer - Middle East conflict

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Article published Saturday, July 22, 2006

Mideast conflict studied for links to Bible

People who seek to align today’s headlines with ancient Scriptures have been working overtime lately, monitoring the daily developments in the Middle East.

Words spoken by Old Testament prophets such as Isaiah, Amos, and Ezekiel are undergoing a new round of scrutiny as Israel battles the Muslim guerrilla group Hezbollah in neighboring Lebanon.

How — or whether — the 10-day-old conflict ties in with Bible prophecy is a matter of debate in Toledo and around the globe.

“We’re getting comments from around the world,” said Todd Strandberg of Omaha, who runs the Web site RaptureReady.com. “Most of them are from the United States, but for some reason, Australia is a big one.”

Mr. Strandberg, who is in the Air Force, said he works about eight hours a day, seven days a week, compiling information about the End Times — the days leading up to Earth’s final battle, Armageddon — for his Web site, which has been in operation for 20 years, since the era of dial-up online bulletin boards.

“I try to be practical with everything. My main goal is not to be spectacular or push the conspiracy thing,” Mr. Strandberg said. “But God says he is coming back, so sometime he is coming back.”

The latest round of fighting in the Middle East is being closely watched for any signs of Syrian involvement — a step that some feel will lead to the destruction of its capital city, Damascus, as described by two Bible prophets.

Isaiah 17:1 states: “Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap,” while Amos 1:3 says, “Thus saith the Lord; For three transgressions of Damascus, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof.” (King James Version).

“Cumulatively, Damascus will be eliminated as a city and there will be nothing there,” said the Rev. Tony Scott, pastor of Cathedral of Praise in Monclova. “Whether this is the war leading up to it or not, that is what’s going to happen eventually.”

The Bible says Armageddon will start after Israel is invaded by armies from the north, so any time military conflict strikes the Middle East it is a something to pay attention to, Mr. Scott said.

“I think the story is this: This is the region from which the battle of all battles is going to originate — in these cities, in these countries. I don’t know if this is the war leading up to it or not, but I think it should make people think about it, to realize that the Bible is real.”

Al Adams, an author of books on the End Times and host of a weekly television show in Lafayette, La., also believes the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict provides an opportunity to get people to open their Bibles.

“My main goal is to create awareness,” Mr. Adams said. “I’m sitting back and watching this, and this really has potential to fulfill a couple of prophecies that have not been done.

“Usually, seeing Bible prophecy fulfilled before your eyes is a good chance to show people that the Bible is real and every word in it is the living Word of God.

“If Russia gets involved, oh boy, this isn’t good,” Mr. Adams said, because it could be the start of Armageddon — with Russia the “gog and magog” that the Bible says will invade Israel.

Not all Bible scholars believe that the words of ancient prophets apply to today’s citizens.

The Rev. Kenneth Mormon, a Toledo Catholic priest teaching at Mount St. Mary Seminary in Cincinnati, said according to Catholic doctrine, the messages of Isaiah, Amos, and other prophets were intended for the people of their own time.

“Usually when we’re talking about Bible prophecy, we’re talking about apocalyptic works. But the messages are directed to their own contemporaries,” Father Mormon said.

“When God inspires an author to write for his people, he chooses a form — a letter, a parable, a drama, a short story, whatever it is. Apocalyptic writing is a kind of literature. If a prophet uses apocalyptic writing, he phrases the message in terms of a vision, a seer, with the symbolism explained to him by a heavenly messenger,” he said.

But although the message was intended for people living thousands of years ago, the Bible is always relevant and modern readers will still get something out of it, only in a different way than the prophet’s contemporaries, Father Mormon said.

Gary DeMar, an Atlanta-based author who has written several books on the End Times, also believes that many people are taking the prophets’ writings out of context.

“People who claim to interpret the Bible literally are very selective in terms of what they interpret,” Mr. DeMar said in an interview. “In Ezekiel 38 and 39, it obviously is about an ancient battle, the people are on horseback, they have shields, the loot they want is cattle, and this really has nothing to do with our time.”

Mr. DeMar, author of Last Days Madness, said it doesn’t make sense that prophecy watchers are always looking to verses in the Old Testament, while the New Testament is rarely cited.

“The New Testament is kind of an update of the Old Testament. It’s the new covenant. Yet they have to continue to go back to the Old Testament,” he said.

Neil Little, a Toledoan who has programs on WGGN-FM (97.7) in Sandusky, said he is concerned that the networks reporting on the Middle East fighting are not making any references to Bible prophecy.

“Nobody is bringing up that this is what was prophesied in Jeremiah and Isaiah — that Israel would be bombarded,” Mr. Little said. “I understand what the geopolitical issues are all about, but I believe the coming of Christ is just around the corner. I preach it. I don’t want to scare people, but Christians should know what’s going on.”

The Rev. Todd Hostetler of Toledo said Christians should always keep an eye on the Middle East situation, but he does not believe the latest conflict is a sign that doomsday is at hand.

“In Ezekiel 38:11 and 14, it says Israel is dwelling in safety,” Mr. Hostetler said. “Israel will have no gates or walls, so they are secure with their neighbors, indicating that in the End Times there will be peace.”

Armageddon cannot come until Israel experiences a time of peace, he said.

“There’s no reason to panic, but the events in the Middle East should stir in us a desire to spread the Gospel. The clock is marching forward. Step by step the Bible is being fulfilled.”

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this predict that's not make sense period! those are not FIT PICTURE with KING JAMES VERISON... all modern prophets include you cant figure out what king jame bible talk about interpretation itself.. because I have seen alll modern prophets include you always mis-interpreter from KJV..

Next time, dont mislead us by you and all modern prophets who is mis-interpret from scripture about this... ;) thanks!
 
Ezekiel 38

1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

7Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

8After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

9Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

10Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

13Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

14Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

15And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

16And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

17Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

18And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.

19For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

20So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

21And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

22And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

23Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.

I post this to give the biggest example of biblical prophecy that is unfolding before us. Lebanon and Iraq are just two of the offending parties in this. There will be either participation or support from the countries of Russia, Saudi Arabia, the Gaza strip, and the remnants of the Hussein regime. knowing the history of the Middle East, it isn't a far cry for the attack to occur. Israel was already the object of much hatred before the attack. Now they are pissing off some powerful people out there. It isn't a far cry to believe that this will unfold into a huge assault on multiple fronts. Personally, I would rather be on Israel's side in this whole thing, you know, pestilence and blood doesn't sound like the side to be on. :cheers:
 
XBGMER said:
this predict that's not make sense period! those are not FIT PICTURE with KING JAMES VERISON... all modern prophets include you cant figure out what king jame bible talk about interpretation itself.. because I have seen alll modern prophets include you always mis-interpreter from KJV..

Next time, dont mislead us by you and all modern prophets who is mis-interpret from scripture about this... ;) thanks!

It isn't that hard to figure out Ezekiel 38. here is an easy breakdown:

1. First, masses come up against Israel from the northern parts with other nations.

2. God is ticked off.

3. God destroys Gog and his gooneys.

That, my friends, is the SV (the Sculleywr Version) translation :angel:. Short, sweet, and quite a laugh riot, to me at least. If not, could you give an alternate translation of that passage.
 
It's very excitin' for me to look forward upon Israel's unfoldin' events. Israel is the only answer you could find in the bible. It's amazin' to see things comin'. Jesus is very awesome God. I can't wait to lay a crown at His Feet when I bow one day. :aw:
 
Well, have to becareful. It may be a beginning, but not sure yet. Israel been having wars many times, but as general like North Korea, Russians, Syrians, China, Iran and Iraq, that we know it will be more likely and yes, need to be ready. As I noticed so much about different churches in Toledo, are u from Toledo? Bec that's where I'm from, but go to Westgate Chapel (off topics)
 
There have been many many instances in the past where men have pointed to current events as being the ones prophecied in the Bible.....none of them were correct!
 
deafdyke said:
There have been many many instances in the past where men have pointed to current events as being the ones prophecied in the Bible.....none of them were correct!

And we acknowledge that there is a possibility that God will wait to fulfill his prophecy. There isn't exactly a set time in the Bible. All we know is that it will be toward the end times. Anyone who said the end-times would immediate prior to Israel becoming a nation again was wrong because Israel was supposed to be a nation first according to the Bible. Matter of fact, there is a slight possibility of a problem with the gog-magog now thing being true. I don't know for sure, but most sources include Iraq as part of the areas named in the prophecies. The hitch? if that means the nation, then America will be bordering on losing complete control over there or this is a false alarm and it won't happen until we pull out.
 
sculleywr said:
And we acknowledge that there is a possibility that God will wait to fulfill his prophecy. There isn't exactly a set time in the Bible. All we know is that it will be toward the end times. Anyone who said the end-times would immediate prior to Israel becoming a nation again was wrong because Israel was supposed to be a nation first according to the Bible. Matter of fact, there is a slight possibility of a problem with the gog-magog now thing being true. I don't know for sure, but most sources include Iraq as part of the areas named in the prophecies. The hitch? if that means the nation, then America will be bordering on losing complete control over there or this is a false alarm and it won't happen until we pull out.

Or there's a possible that the USA will become obsolete/or useless before God can step in to fight for Israel.
 
CyberRed said:
Or there's a possible that the USA will become obsolete/or useless before God can step in to fight for Israel.
your predict is none true... there never will that God step into fight for Israel.. NEVER WILL, the facts tell you truth...

Until USA MUST falling apart first, because foreigners and citizens whoever reside IN USA will turn ugly and hatred itself in BIG AND HUGE BATTLEFIELD ITSELF WITHIN CONFUSION OF LAND. this land will influence the world turn into battlefield anywhere, you can't escape from the pangs of beginning!!
 
XBGMER said:
your predict is none true... there never will that God step into fight for Israel.. NEVER WILL, the facts tell you truth...

Until USA MUST falling apart first, because foreigners and citizens whoever reside IN USA will turn ugly and hatred itself in BIG AND HUGE BATTLEFIELD ITSELF WITHIN CONFUSION OF LAND. this land will influence the world turn into battlefield anywhere, you can't escape from the pangs of beginning!!


Wow! You know you just put another prophecy into modern terms. A battle like that would turn into a third world war. There is a prophecy concerning a war that involves all people. the USA falling apart like that would cause some major fallout.

Plus, how can you limit God? God CAN do anything He wants to do. He would be fully justified to throw us all into hell right here and now.
 
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