'Jihadi rehab' is a possibility for post-Gitmo

[Secretblend]

Randy in England means h*rny and thang is used to described thing or the male part.

Now you see why the ladies of AD's hot for our Byrdie.

I know what it means. I was just joking.

Thanks for taking the time to explain tho.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

I know what it means. I was just joking.

Thanks for taking the time to explain tho.

Whoops! That's me.. neither bright nor dull! Just in between.

 

[Secretblend]

Whoops! That's me.. neither bright nor dull! Just in between.

That's okay, You're fine just as you are along with your 52 inch cane.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

That's okay, You're fine just as you are along with your 52 inch cane.

Yawp.. yawp! If not for Dottie.. who would've been surprised by my left & right grabbing!

 

[chris' mom]

hehehe

 

[Maria]

'Jihadi rehab' is a possibility for post-Gitmo - CNN.com

From Nic Robertson
CNN Senior International Correspondent


(CNN) -- U.S. lawmakers considering the closure of the controversial Guantanamo Bay detention center will probably be looking at a rehabilitation program in Saudi Arabia that focuses on religious re-education for captured jihadists.


Ahmed, who took part in a bombing mission in Iraq, said he was a "wiser man" after taking part in the program.

President Obama issued executive orders relating to Guantanamo last week, including one requiring that the detention facility at a U.S. Naval base in Cuba be closed within a year.

Now some analysts are asking not only whether intelligence agencies will be able to get the information they need to keep America safe but where the prisoners will eventually end up.

The answer to the second part of this question may lie partly in the Saudi rehab program that analysts in that country say has helped deal a big blow to al Qaeda.

Since the 2003 bombings in Riyadh that killed dozens there have been no major attacks in the kingdom, they point out.

Libya is using a similar philosophy of religious re-education, moving away from brutal treatment of militants in jails, and Pakistan is also looking at it.

The program focuses on religious re-education for young men, all in their late teens to early 30s, captured while engaged in terrorist activities.

Of the 218 people who have taken part, only nine have since been rearrested after trying to rejoin al Qaeda, Saudi officials told CNN.

"We have reduced the threat but cannot say we have eliminated it," said interior ministry spokesman Gen. Mansoor al Turki.

"Such a re-education program will help the police to make sure these people get rid of the ideology that penetrated their brains [and to] make sure, when they leave prison, [they] can lead [a] normal life."

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The key to the government-run scheme's success is the way it uses imams, or religious teachers, to explain to the young, radicalized Muslims that not everyone can issue a fatwa.

It tells them that what they have been taught previously is wrong: You cannot just go and kill someone.

In an al Qaeda cell, one person will issue a fatwa to justify whatever violent action the group will take, but the rehabilitation program makes clear that to issue a fatwa you must be a well-trained, experienced imam.

One young man who had been through the program said he had learned his lesson.

Ahmed, who admitted driving a truck that exploded in Iraq, killing 12 people, said he had been brain-washed by al Qaeda militants. "They told me Americans kill Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan ... and they brainwash me. ... They said it's the honorable thing to do to go fight Americans."

Ahmed said that he was just a regular Muslim before he was radicalized but that the program had taught him the error of his ways, and now, "I will never think about the jihad again."

"My message to all young people: If you are in Iraq, leave and come back home and ask governments and elders about religion. Don't do what these bad people tell you to do. Everyone makes mistakes.

"I used to hate Americans. Now it's different. Thank God I am a wiser man and I know right from wrong. In the program, they taught me killing a person -- Muslim or non-Muslim -- is wrong even if he gets in my way. You should help people, not hurt them."

The program came about after the Saudi government recognized that locking up the young radicalized Muslims and mistreating them in jail was counterproductive and served only to foment anger in the Islamic world.

Reformed jihadists said Abdel Aziz al-Muqrin, for example, the al Qaeda leader in Saudi Arabia who was killed in 2004, was angry about his treatment in jail.

So officials realized that a better way to deal with the threat of radicalized Muslims was to rehabilitate them.

"It's not easy just to take the behavior or the person with behavior or bad behavior and put him in jail," said psychologist Turki Al-Otayan. "How about his thoughts? How about his emotions? That's why we have the advisory committee to correct the cognitive things and the emotional things."

Al-Otayan said that if the program did not exist, the young men would easily revert to their old ways. "If we leave them, someone will take our job like the terrorists or the mujahadeen. ... They will pass them money."

He said he was convinced that the program had greatly cut the number of young Muslims traveling to Iraq to carry out jihad.

Officials realize that it will never be 100 percent successful, and it is labor-intensive and expensive, but it may very well be among the approaches that U.S. officials will consider as they work out how to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facility and rehabilitate the 700 or so prisoners.

That's a better solution than torturing them.

I don't think it will work, because of their beliefs will always stay with them and they will do it again. The question still remains: Why are we releasin' Guantanamo inmates if we can't be sure they won't take up arms against us again ? Hmm...

Inmates don't have driver's licenses. They don't even have birth certiifcates. Some of them are trained in deception and counter-interrogation techniques. It's possible that one of them or 2 had more than one aliases. Think about it.
They could be fighters of Al Qaeda, veterans of terrorism trainin' camps and men who had experience with explosives, sniper rifles and rocket-propelled grenades. They can not be trusted. They could gone back and have become combatants again.... they are very cunnin'.

They have their long history........... they are not goin' to stop it.

 

[Jiro]

I don't think it will work, because of their beliefs will always stay with them and they will do it again. The question still remains: Why are we releasin' Guantanamo inmates if we can't be sure they won't take up arms against us again ? Hmm...

Inmates don't have driver's licenses. They don't even have birth certiifcates. Some of them are trained in deception and counter-interrogation techniques. It's possible that one of them or 2 had more than one aliases. Think about it.
They could be fighters of Al Qaeda, veterans of terrorism trainin' camps and men who had experience with explosives, sniper rifles and rocket-propelled grenades. They can not be trusted. They could gone back and have become combatants again.... they are very cunnin'.

They have their long history........... they are not goin' to stop it.

lady... just because you don't know what's going on doesn't mean the government doesn't. Obviously - the government is not going to explain in detail of their operation and doings because that will be revealing the secret to terrorists, si?

Before releasing the prisoners - the government has already recorded detailed documents of them - (i'll assume) fingerprint, DNA, voice print, many pictures, etc. They can track them down again. and not all terrorists are well-trained. and you're forgetting that USA is very very experienced in counter-everything. counter their counter-interrogations, counter their deceptions. counter their etc.

 

[Byrdie714]

lady... just because you don't know what's going on doesn't mean the government doesn't. Obviously - the government is not going to explain in detail of their operation and doings because that will be revealing the secret to terrorists, si?

Before releasing the prisoners - the government has already recorded detailed documents of them - (i'll assume) fingerprint, DNA, voice print, many pictures, etc. They can track them down again. and not all terrorists are well-trained. and you're forgetting that USA is very very experienced in counter-everything. counter their counter-interrogations, counter their deceptions. counter their etc.

And it's national security.

 

[jillio]

lady... just because you don't know what's going on doesn't mean the government doesn't. Obviously - the government is not going to explain in detail of their operation and doings because that will be revealing the secret to terrorists, si?

Before releasing the prisoners - the government has already recorded detailed documents of them - (i'll assume) fingerprint, DNA, voice print, many pictures, etc. They can track them down again. and not all terrorists are well-trained. and you're forgetting that USA is very very experienced in counter-everything. counter their counter-interrogations, counter their deceptions. counter their etc.

 

[dreama]

That's a better solution than torturing them.

How do you know? Saudi Arabia has one of the worst human rights record going. It's a country where women are treated like 2nd class citizens and girls are stoned for adultery or for getting raped by their brother and his friends who managed to perswade the judge that the girl was trying to seduce them.

 

[Jiro]

How do you know? Saudi Arabia has one of the worst human rights record going. It's a country where women are treated like 2nd class citizens and girls are stoned for adultery or for getting raped by their brother and his friends who managed to perswade the judge that the girl was trying to seduce them.

worst human rights as according to whose standard? Yours? Don't you have any respect for cultural difference?

 

[jillio]

worst human rights as according to whose standard? Yours? Don't you have any respect for cultural difference?

Exactly!!!!!

 

[DURAY]

the West Point Counterterrorism Center had documents listings how people became terrorists. www.ctc.usma.mil (url might be different)
Jihad Watch is also good

 

[DURAY]

it is their culture, their religion, their norms. The CLinton/Gore folks did nothing because they also need the oil from Saudi Arabia, which gave to the Clinton Foundation library as indicated in the now open donor list...

How do you know? Saudi Arabia has one of the worst human rights record going. It's a country where women are treated like 2nd class citizens and girls are stoned for adultery or for getting raped by their brother and his friends who managed to perswade the judge that the girl was trying to seduce them.

 

[darkdog]

I can attest to the backwards culture of Saudi Arabia. I grew up there for four years while my Dad worked for ARAMCO. Granted, I was too young to know anything, but man, my parents have some crazy stories.

The only thing Saudi Arabia has to offer the world is its oil. Given that, you'd think they'd be experts in getting it out of the ground, but no. They had to hire foreigners like my father, bring them and their families over, provide them with housing, schools, doctors, etc. and pay them a huge salary. My parents, and especially my dad, had to deal with their culture on a daily basis. Simply put, it's their cultural norms that keep them so unproductive.

 

[Jiro]

I can attest to the backwards culture of Saudi Arabia. I grew up there for four years while my Dad worked for ARAMCO. Granted, I was too young to know anything, but man, my parents have some crazy stories.

The only thing Saudi Arabia has to offer the world is its oil. Given that, you'd think they'd be experts in getting it out of the ground, but no. They had to hire foreigners like my father, bring them and their families over, provide them with housing, schools, doctors, etc. and pay them a huge salary. My parents, and especially my dad, had to deal with their culture on a daily basis. Simply put, it's their cultural norms that keep them so unproductive.

I can see you are very disrespectful to any cultures. :roll: Please review the history of Middle East because **hint hint** it's what led to modernization of America and the world.

 

[Maria]

lady... just because you don't know what's going on doesn't mean the government doesn't. Obviously - the government is not going to explain in detail of their operation and doings because that will be revealing the secret to terrorists, si?

Before releasing the prisoners - the government has already recorded detailed documents of them - (i'll assume) fingerprint, DNA, voice print, many pictures, etc. They can track them down again. and not all terrorists are well-trained. and you're forgetting that USA is very very experienced in counter-everything. counter their counter-interrogations, counter their deceptions. counter their etc.

Well, remember Obama banned " harsh " interrogations ?

 

[Jiro]

Well, remember Obama banned " harsh " interrogations ?

and.....? I guess he's "pro-life" after all because do you want the foreigners to perform harsh interrogation on our American soldiers?

 

[darkdog]

I can see you are very disrespectful to any cultures. :roll: Please review the history of Middle East because **hint hint** it's what led to modernization of America and the world.

I'm disrespectful to any cultures? Not so much. My family experienced the culture in Saudi Arabia for over four years. I have no reason to sugar coat it. I understand that the Arab world used to be the center of scientific and mathematical progress. Algebra is an Arab word, in fact. But that's not the case today. Years ago, I remember reading about how the Arab world produced less than 400 patents from 1980 to 2000. That was compared to South Korea with a much much smaller population producing 19,000 patents during that time period. I lived in South Korea and I believe it. I have no qualms with that culture as it supports freedom and productivity, not represses them.

 

[Jiro]

I'm disrespectful to any cultures? Not so much. My family experienced the culture in Saudi Arabia for over four years. I have no reason to sugar coat it. I understand that the Arab world used to be the center of scientific and mathematical progress. Algebra is an Arab word, in fact. But that's not the case today. Years ago, I remember reading about how the Arab world produced less than 400 patents from 1980 to 2000. That was compared to South Korea with a much much smaller population producing 19,000 patents during that time period. I lived in South Korea and I believe it. I have no qualms with that culture as it supports freedom and productivity, not represses them.

Yes it is disrespectful to say the culture represses productivity and freedom. Yes I do not agree with the way of life in Saudi Arabia especially the way they treated the woman. Yes I don't agree with the way Chinese government handled the human rights. Yes I don't agree with South Koreans eating dogs. but it's not my place to say otherwise to them... just as much as it's not in their place to say otherwise to our culture.

and about productivity..... Last time I check - Saudi Arabia is what makes the world goes around. I don't know about you but that's quite a massive productivity to me considering that their oil & massive investments (for both stock markets and venture capitalism) are what makes the world runs. That easily dwarf their some 19,000 patents. Middle Eastern's scientific & mathematical progress is and has always been purely for commerce purpose while others (like USA & South Korea & Japan) are purely for "for-the-humanity purpose." Middle East strives for best and efficient way to make profitable trades with other countries and they're pretty f'ing good at it!