GA illegal immigration bill ruins crops

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Steinhauer said:
What is actually going to happen is that when the farm labor jobs go to Americans, it will be found that their money stays here too. It does not go to Mexico.

American citizens will not be taxed into paying for illegal immigrants education and healthcare. More unemployed Americans will be able to find jobs and not stay on unemployment.

When it is discovered that the illegal immigrant gap didn't even make a "burp" in Georgia's economy, the left will still be crying "racism" all the way to the grocery store.
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After massive raid over illegal immigrants, some employers are not interested to hire the legal citizens that pay at minimum wage so their biggest interest is to having a cheap labor that make more profitable so they prefer to hire illegal immigrants that paid at below the minimum wage, it is already happened in anywhere, especially meat factories and they used illegal immigrants to make impossible to form the unions, that pisses pro-union workers off, I think it was happened in NC until federal/ICE raid the meat factory to throw all illegal immigrants out.
 
National Academy of Sciences: About the NAS

According to the NAS, each illegal alien will cost a net total of $100,000 to the American taxpayer.

What that means, essentially, is that even if illegal aliens become tax payers, they will not even be able to pay enough in tax to cover the cost of services offered to them.

Not to mention that jobs meant for legal citizens, or, otherwise, documented and legal workers, are being undermined when those jobs are being filled by illegal immigrants. It causes communities across America to suddenly experience a population growth that is unsustainable and overwhelming - consuming affordable housing, filling classrooms and draining resources. Illegal immigrants are not a solution to the economic problems of America - they are the problem. Draining resources, money, services meant for citizens who have earned the right (social security), healthcare and education - they are a blight - something that many Americans are waking up to every day and shouting "ENOUGH!"

It is not a victimless crime. It is stealing, pure and simple. I am glad something is finally being done about it, and I do not anticipate the problem to go away overnight.

For those who somehow think this is a racist sentiment - try talking to a legal immigrant in the US that is from any country that has had their job taken by an illegal.
 
I must admit that I think it's a good idea to put criminals to work on farm. I hope that'll help them get back to their roots where their ancestors likely worked hard and farmed. And help them stay out of jail.
 
netrox said:
I must admit that I think it's a good idea to put criminals to work on farm. I hope that'll help them get back to their roots where their ancestors likely worked hard and farmed. And help them stay out of jail.
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According to the news article I posted the link to, that's not going so well. It sounded like a good idea in theory but in practice, not so much.
 
netrox said:
I must admit that I think it's a good idea to put criminals to work on farm. I hope that'll help them get back to their roots where their ancestors likely worked hard and farmed. And help them stay out of jail.
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I would imagine that the escape risk would increase for some prisoners.
 
Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if you didn't make so many corporations responsible for our food supply.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Georgia is still struggling to find enough labour to pick their produce. Meanwhile legal and illegal workers are scared away and not coming back. They contribute to the economy too. They eat, buy clothes, cars, pay for services just like everyone else. So when they leave, their money leaves and that impacts the economy of farm communities.

Farms are losing money which makes it even harder for them to afford hiring workers at much higher wages AND pay off bank loans and mortgages or payments for farm equipment. Banks are going to start calling in loans when they see the economy dipping a great deal and want their money back before it's too late.

So, now what? They're in a big hole. Is the government going to bail them out just like they did for automotive companies and banks? Can you afford, on top of escalating food prices due to corporations passing off the cost of quadrupling wage labour costs to you in order to make profits, afford to pay even more taxes to bail those big farms out?

And every illegal who does get caught will be crammed into already overcrowded jails and guess who pays for that? Who do you think pays for criminals in jails? You taxpayers do. And you also pay for the entire procedure of their deportations.

There's a huge ripple effect from putting this law into effect and you will feel the consequences when it hits you where it hurts the most, your wallet. It will affect everyone in the US who eats food.

Then you may find yourself saying, ok, wait a minute, maybe we need to amend this law a bit.

Other agricultural states are looking at what's happening to Georgia and they're alarmed. That's why I'm so certain special exceptions are going to be made to this law as it applies to the agricultural sector to keep the American economy afloat. Illegal workers will suddenly get a new status - "guest workers".
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DeafCaroline said:
“I want to encourage Georgia’s agricultural community to continue working with Commissioner Black. In the meantime, Commissioner Butler will continue to publicize the availability of agricultural employment opportunities and Commissioner Owens will work to potentially fill jobs on our farms.”

Stephanie Mayfield"


This is not fact that those 11,000 jobs have been filled. It's a fact that there are 11,000 jobs waiting to be filled. And she said in her own words that it's only a partial solution. By the time they work out all the legalities of using prisoners as free labour, the produce will have already rotted and there will be nothing left to pick.
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DeafCaroline said:
Ga. puts probationers to work harvesting crops
By KATE BRUMBACK, Associated Press – 2 days ago (June 22)
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Great posts. I rest my case. Thank you.
 
Thanks Beowulf but I stand corrected on a couple of things: Georgia pays between 8 to 12 dollar an hour for pickers, illegal or not. Not way below minimum wage as I had presumed. Georgia also has a near 30% unemployment rate and no one wants to work? They had to make prisoners work because no free man, wants to take those jobs. Even prisoners are walking off after working for one day.

I am not saying illegal immigration is right but the way the law was put into effect was done so without much forethought or planning. They just assumed all those unemployed people in Georgia would come running, grateful for a chance to get a job that the illegals took away from them. They didn't.

So, now they're talking about giving illegal immigrant guest worker status to ensure no more crops will rot while Americans lift their noses at the suddenly available fieldwork jobs.

There's a reason agriculture sector started hiring illegals in the first place. Americans won't step up and take those jobs.

History repeats itself.

But again, let's wait and see.
 
Wow - you guys read a couple of articles and suddenly you are experts LOL :lol:

First of all - the article you read was about PROBATIONERS - if you do not know what that means, I suggest you look it up.

When prisoners are used to harvest crops - they are not allowed to just wander off (That seriously cracked me up) :laugh2:

Another thing that most people missed, was that the legal hispanics decided to stick around. This paying the same wage whether illegal or not was PURE BUNK! Just because the article stated the workers were hispanic DID NOT MEAN THEY WERE ILLEGALS!

I mean OMG!!

You get a person who has never done farm work before ... they are going to struggle in the heat. Check on them after they have been doing it for several weeks - they are going to have adjusted to it. The reporter made it seem that only hispanics are suitable for farm labor - which is also pure bunk (and racist I may add).
 
Steinhauer said:
Wow - you guys read a couple of articles and suddenly you are experts LOL :lol:

First of all - the article you read was about PROBATIONERS - if you do not know what that means, I suggest you look it up.

When prisoners are used to harvest crops - they are not allowed to just wander off (That seriously cracked me up) :laugh2:

Another thing that most people missed, was that the legal hispanics decided to stick around. This paying the same wage whether illegal or not was PURE BUNK! Just because the article stated the workers were hispanic DID NOT MEAN THEY WERE ILLEGALS!

I mean OMG!!

You get a person who has never done farm work before ... they are going to struggle in the heat. Check on them after they have been doing it for several weeks - they are going to have adjusted to it. The reporter made it seem that only hispanics are suitable for farm labor - which is also pure bunk (and racist I may add).
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Harvesting takes weeks? Shows how much you know. Try days.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Thanks Beowulf but I stand corrected on a couple of things: Georgia pays between 8 to 12 dollar an hour for pickers, illegal or not. Not way below minimum wage as I had presumed. Georgia also has a near 30% unemployment rate and no one wants to work? They had to make prisoners work because no free man, wants to take those jobs. Even prisoners are walking off after working for one day.

I am not saying illegal immigration is right but the way the law was put into effect was done so without much forethought or planning. They just assumed all those unemployed people in Georgia would come running, grateful for a chance to get a job that the illegals took away from them. They didn't.

So, now they're talking about giving illegal immigrant guest worker status to ensure no more crops will rot while Americans lift their noses at the suddenly available fieldwork jobs.

There's a reason agriculture sector started hiring illegals in the first place. Americans won't step up and take those jobs.

History repeats itself.

But again, let's wait and see.
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The whole brunt of my argument is that it takes a special kind of person to harvest the crops. Taking a person out of jail and putting the person to work in the field is cruel and unusual punishment when you come right down to it.
 
Steinhauer - you're splitting hairs. I can tell you're really reaching here. Secondly, I didn't just read a couple of articles, I got really interested in this and spent hours last night reading dozens and dozens of articles from different sources.

But again, let's wait and see if you're right.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Steinhauer - you're splitting hairs. I can tell you're really reaching here. Secondly, I didn't just read a couple of articles, I got really interested in this and spent hours last night reading dozens and dozens of articles from different sources.

But again, let's wait and see if you're right.
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I confess that you do a lot more research than I do. :giggle:
I am almost 60 years old and have been around the block a few times to know how things are. Just saying.
 
Beowulf said:
I confess that you do a lot more research than I do. :giggle:
I am almost 60 years old and have been around the block a few times to know how things are. Just saying.
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Wisdom and life experiences counts for a lot!
 
This article explains the mentality of the Democrats in the South and why I choose to vote Republican:

Galis: Georgia Democrats should look southward to grow || OnlineAthens.com

Last November, outgoing Labor Commissioner Michael Thurmond gave his diagnosis of the poor showing by Georgia Democrats in the just-concluded election. "Bottom line: We need more white folks," he said.
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That single line tells me all I need to know about the political spin that the left is putting on HB 87. They are making an attempt to throw racism in the mix when it isn't even there (except when they themselves put it there). Several examples of this can be readily seen even in this thread. The implication that hard labor is best suited for hispanics is blatantly racist. It is even implied that hard labor is all hispanics are good for - which is an implication I DETEST! It does not matter what race an individual is in regards to hard labor - to imply that it does matter ... is racist.

HB 87 is targetting illegals whether in agriculture or not, whether from Mexico or England or Sweden. There are federal procedures and laws one must go through if they wish to become a naturalized citizen of the United States.

Mike Thurmond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
DeafCaroline said:
Steinhauer - you're splitting hairs. I can tell you're really reaching here. Secondly, I didn't just read a couple of articles, I got really interested in this and spent hours last night reading dozens and dozens of articles from different sources.

But again, let's wait and see if you're right.
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I am glad you are taking an interest in this and thank you for the time you spent researching.

Here are a few terms to look up:

Dixiecrat

Jim Crow Laws

Chain Gangs (specifically in the South)

There is also a very good movie depicting how things used to get down in these here parts called "Cool Hand Luke". The road crews and farm laborers from prisons I think is now illegal. I used to see them everywhere when I was growing up.
 
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