Dlink vp vs Sorenson vp

Mookie said:
Do you have any suggest what to do with old vp-100s?????
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soresnon probably cascade down to other untapped areas or replace nonfuntioning vp.

or as paperweight?
 
Soonersseth said:
Meaning I gotta pay for another Ip address to do that ?
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if you want two vp turned on at the same time get second ip address or broadband conncetion
 
Your wrong! Yes! need to pay for additional IP address. Most cases 5 dollars extra. I know one broadband provider gives you three IP addresses as package.

In order to have more than 1 VP, need to have "Public" IP address for EACH of unit! Can't have two or more VP on same "public" IP address. Do not confuse between "Public" and "Private" IP address. Really this term used as layman's term. In technical world, we call "Public IP" as WAN (Wide Area Networking) and the private IP addresses usually called NAT, and I can't remember what it stands for NAT, perhaps Networking Allocation Table, meaning it set up private IP addresses so that the router knows which PC to send and recieve Data to and from.

rockdrummer said:
Not if it's on your private network behind a router/firewall.
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Second broadband connection usually better but very expensive!

qwerty123 said:
if you want two vp turned on at the same time get second ip address or broadband conncetion
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Yup! Most of Sorenson installer did shoddy job! I refused let them do the installation! I have, I am sorry to say this... that an IDIOT installer came to my house with surprise! No contact let me know when he is coming over. And again, this IDIOT installer was telling me there is serious collision problems with my networking right into my face. He said the amber lights comes on flashing... I looked at it, and blunt with him... NO! It is NOT collision, it means that this port of networking is running at 10mbps! Each port of 10/100mbps router usually have two colors of light. Amber = 10mbps green = 100mbps, and showed him the area where "Collision" is, there is no light coming on. He GULPED! I then said to him... BACK OFF my networking system! gimme the VP and I take care of it. He said oh ok ok ok. I set up and done in 3 minutes. He couldn't figure out how I do this so fast.... DAMN RIGHT I know my system by my heart! I owned it, duh!

I also felt that Sorenson did bad job on making policy on installer... They NEED to set up policy that ALL installers is to bring their own lappy instead of "Borrowing" owner's PC for configuration purpose. Most professionals out there don't touch their customer's PC, they bring their own Lappy. This is for security reason.

Now you see why I refused to help Sorenson when I see there is problem with them. UNTIL they offered me job then I can offer back my skills. :-P

Mookie said:
:roll:

Humor me.

Dlink VP was fine at home until Sorenson installer installed the Sorenson VP for my wife. He also screwed up some setting on my computer for sharing both VPs. I have a good friend who is the I2EYES contractor (installer). He came over and checked out the technical issues. He found the problem that Sorenson installer screwed up that he like to block on my Dlink VP. :mad:

Everytime I have to start my computer and Dlink VP can not process. What did I do? I turn on the Sorenen VP first for a min and switched it off then turn on my beloved Dlink VP. It works. That's a pretty odd!!!! What the fuck is Sorenson Company attempting to turn off Dlink users?

I don't need a freking 101 course. I do need a 501 course!
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MAC? You mean MACinTrash or MAC as hardware addresses?

Speaking for MAC as hardware addresses. They are embedded into the device permanently and there is no way you can alter them. And they got nothing to do with IP addresses.

Mookie said:
for second MAC with second private IP addy. Yep....
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diehardbiker65 said:
MAC? You mean MACinTrash or MAC as hardware addresses?

Speaking for MAC as hardware addresses. They are embedded into the device permanently and there is no way you can alter them. And they got nothing to do with IP addresses.
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When I speak MAC (Media Access Control) Address for Videophone. What makes you think it for Apple computer for this VP thread?

You got it right on second paragraph.

Anyway, I am sure that whole deaf family in a big house may need several IP addresses. You know many deaf kids like to communicate via the VPs just like hearing kids speaking on phones with additional lines at home....
 
Mookie said:
When I speak MAC (Media Access Control) Address for Videophone. What makes you think it for Apple computer for this VP thread?

You got it right on second paragraph.

Anyway, I am sure that whole deaf family in a big house may need several IP addresses. You know many deaf kids like to communicate via the VPs just like hearing kids speaking on phones with additional lines at home....
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you can setup multiple VP's on your private network. Just make sure the IP addresses you assign are part of the DMZ or open the required ports on your firewall... See this thread for details http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=31636
 
diehardbiker65 said:
Your wrong! Yes! need to pay for additional IP address. Most cases 5 dollars extra. I know one broadband provider gives you three IP addresses as package.

In order to have more than 1 VP, need to have "Public" IP address for EACH of unit! Can't have two or more VP on same "public" IP address. Do not confuse between "Public" and "Private" IP address. Really this term used as layman's term. In technical world, we call "Public IP" as WAN (Wide Area Networking) and the private IP addresses usually called NAT, and I can't remember what it stands for NAT, perhaps Networking Allocation Table, meaning it set up private IP addresses so that the router knows which PC to send and recieve Data to and from.
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I am not wrong but I am also not going to argue with you about this. I have been a network engineer for decades and mulitple VP's on your private network can be accomplished using NAT and there are a few other tricks you could use as well. Instead of insisting I am wrong, perhaps you should ask me how it's done. Then you may learn a few new tricks.
 
qwerty123 said:
if you want two vp turned on at the same time get second ip address or broadband conncetion
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or use NAT... Network Address Translation. NAT will make multiple internal addresses appear as the same external address.
 
Oh that part, if using VP within same NAT set yes you can. I mean yes you can have more than one VP on same household and be able to do "Intercom" calls. I have done that and it worked so well. But speaking for contacting outside NAT, multiple VP on same WAN won't work. MAC addresses isn't required for "Intranet" connectivity. Only IP address is sufficient.

Anyway, sometimes people confuses between MAC and MAC... you know what I mean, I just wanted to clarify myself.

Mookie said:
When I speak MAC (Media Access Control) Address for Videophone. What makes you think it for Apple computer for this VP thread?

You got it right on second paragraph.

Anyway, I am sure that whole deaf family in a big house may need several IP addresses. You know many deaf kids like to communicate via the VPs just like hearing kids speaking on phones with additional lines at home....
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I misunderstood, and thought you meant as connectivity to outside the LAN. If chatting between two or more VP within LAN, yes it works just fine. But Im speaking for somebody who might call in from WAN side, need to have seperate IP address in order for it to recongize which VP to ring up.

rockdrummer said:
I am not wrong but I am also not going to argue with you about this. I have been a network engineer for decades and mulitple VP's on your private network can be accomplished using NAT and there are a few other tricks you could use as well. Instead of insisting I am wrong, perhaps you should ask me how it's done. Then you may learn a few new tricks.
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diehardbiker65 said:
I misunderstood, and thought you meant as connectivity to outside the LAN. If chatting between two or more VP within LAN, yes it works just fine. But Im speaking for somebody who might call in from WAN side, need to have seperate IP address in order for it to recongize which VP to ring up.
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If the call is initiated from the internal network that has multiple VP's it will work fine to make outside calls. Ultimatly ARP will contact the correct internal VP.. ARP is address resolution protocol which essentially cross references MAC addresses to IP addresses on the internal segment. In theory this should work but I would have to put it into practice to confirm. I am of the belief that most anything can be accomplished on the network if you have the skills and experience to pull it off.
 
Yea, but when it comes to between inside and outside using multiple VP on same WAN address I never was able to achieve this and this had locked up the communication. This tells me that the router is just simply confused to what to do with the data and where to send one of VP on LAN side. I have done testing and failed. If somebody could come up with the solution, I'd be more than happy to learn and hear. So far I haven't seen a solution.

rockdrummer said:
If the call is initiated from the internal network that has multiple VP's it will work fine to make outside calls. Ultimatly ARP will contact the correct internal VP.. ARP is address resolution protocol which essentially cross references MAC addresses to IP addresses on the internal segment. In theory this should work but I would have to put it into practice to confirm. I am of the belief that most anything can be accomplished on the network if you have the skills and experience to pull it off.
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diehardbiker65 said:
Yea, but when it comes to between inside and outside using multiple VP on same WAN address I never was able to achieve this and this had locked up the communication. This tells me that the router is just simply confused to what to do with the data and where to send one of VP on LAN side. I have done testing and failed. If somebody could come up with the solution, I'd be more than happy to learn and hear. So far I haven't seen a solution.
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Where you using Network Address Translation at your router? Is your router even capable of NAT? Not all are. What I am speaking of is theoretical. I wish I had more than one VP to experiment with. Maybe when I get my VP200 they will let me keep my VP100 and then I can play around with this and give you more concrete details. If you have a visio drawing of your network including IP space I may be able to offer some suggestions. I am pretty sure this can be accomplished.
 
I understand what you mean. But look at this problem...

Suppose you wanted to call me, you know all VP offers you two ways to contact me. One is phone number which dependent on the manufacturer server to look up IP address based on phone number supplied or you use my WAN IP address (Public IP). *IF* I have two VP on same WAN line... How can Router figure out WHICH one of two VP to ring up? Both would have same Public IP address. You see where the router got confused.

You see, there is no dialog box in VP that ask you for MAC address to call out. That is where the problem is. If there is MAC address down there then it might be workable. But I think MAC address isn't practical. More practical if using port #, but again it would only confuse general users.

The only viable solution to this problem is to get seperate WAN IP address from ISP, and you call one of my IP address that I supplied to you.

Get my drift?

rockdrummer said:
Where you using Network Address Translation at your router? Is your router even capable of NAT? Not all are. What I am speaking of is theoretical. I wish I had more than one VP to experiment with. Maybe when I get my VP200 they will let me keep my VP100 and then I can play around with this and give you more concrete details. If you have a visio drawing of your network including IP space I may be able to offer some suggestions. I am pretty sure this can be accomplished.
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rockdrummer said:
or use NAT... Network Address Translation. NAT will make multiple internal addresses appear as the same external address.
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you need Network Basic 100 course

if use NAT then you need to DMZ private IP usaully 125

videophone use public ip so you can not simply plug two veidophone behind a router with single NAT. sorensnon use database server to tie vp number with public ip address together for incoming call therefore one public ip to one phone number

you reallllly want two vp, get one more ip from your isp and make bandwidth no less 512k uplink you may need switch box
 
rockdrummer said:
Is your router even capable of NAT? Not all are.
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duh typical router has NAT feature as long as it has dhcp! name a router that works with vp and has no NAT/DMZ
 
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