Deaf culture as point of pride? It’s more a curse

If he was currently living a full and satisfying life, he would not be so angry aabout his own deafness
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That seems like a huge leap of logic. People can be living full and satisfying lives, and still be upset and angry about any number of personal things, including deafness, their weight, their vision problems, their lack of a mate - or the presence of a mate they no longer like, their inability to have children, or the way their children turned out, their income level, etc., etc.

Most of us are a complex mix of things we like about our lives and things we don't like. This man is disagreeing with one writer. It seems quite extreme to then accuse him of not having a "full and satisfying life" because of that disagreement.
 
Beach girl said:
That seems like a huge leap of logic. People can be living full and satisfying lives, and still be upset and angry about any number of personal things, including deafness, their weight, their vision problems, their lack of a mate - or the presence of a mate they no longer like, their inability to have children, or the way their children turned out, their income level, etc., etc.

Most of us are a complex mix of things we like about our lives and things we don't like. This man is disagreeing with one writer. It seems quite extreme to then accuse him of not having a "full and satisfying life" because of that disagreement.
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Some people need to get a grip.
 
TXgolfer said:
Heh, I actually agree with this post. But in the previous post you said "no matter their circumstances".

People can certainly choose how they deal with their deafness. Bullying is different. Some LDs experience "bullying" from the deaf community. Perhaps this man did.

Then again maybe he didn't get the. Counseling he needed. Wouldn't be surprising given the horrible way we care for our veterans.

Fact is....none of us know what this man experienced so it's pretty unfair to judge him by what he said.
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The anger and the bitterness are still apparent. And he is still directing it toward the Deaf community, which is unnacceptable.
 
Beach girl said:
That seems like a huge leap of logic. People can be living full and satisfying lives, and still be upset and angry about any number of personal things, including deafness, their weight, their vision problems, their lack of a mate - or the presence of a mate they no longer like, their inability to have children, or the way their children turned out, their income level, etc., etc.

Most of us are a complex mix of things we like about our lives and things we don't like. This man is disagreeing with one writer. It seems quite extreme to then accuse him of not having a "full and satisfying life" because of that disagreement.
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One who has accepted their deafness and is living a full and satisfying life with their deafness has let go of the anger over having become deaf. The way this man disparages even the idea of Deaf Culture, much less it's value to many, many deaf around the world, is evidence of a lack of acceptance over his own loss. He is entitled to be as angry as he chooses to be. He is not, however, entitled to spread his anger all over a culture.
 
He was directing his disagreement toward Lane. Does everyone have to agree with Lane, lockstep, in order to "not spread his anger all over a culture?"
 
Beach girl said:
He was directing his disagreement toward Lane. Does everyone have to agree with Lane, lockstep, in order to "not spread his anger all over a culture?"
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And what topic that Lane discusses was he referring to? Deaf Culture. Chances are great that Lane is the only author he has read on the topic of Deaf Culutre. His disagreement was such that I doubt seriously that he has read any other of the numerous authors that agree with and support Lane's position.
 
Beach girl said:
So anyone who disagrees with Lane is automatically hating Deaf Culture?
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Depends on the topic of the disagreement. In this case it has to do with Deaf Culture. And as I have stated, Lane is probably the only author this man has read on the topic, as there are numerous others, both hearing and Deaf, that support and agree with Lane's position on Deaf Culture.
 
Deafness, congenital or otherwise, is a curse. It truncates your social life, makes you appear stupid (uncomprehending) in conversation, frustrates your associates who must speak at you and articulate carefully with endless repetitions. To try to beatify this is to argue the untenable.

Yes, people talk animatedly to each other in American Sign Language — I watch them on the T. But they can’t communicate with the rest of us.

And to answer the question, no. The above words are what makes the man a hater.
 
jillio said:
The anger and the bitterness are still apparent. And he is still directing it toward the Deaf community, which is unnacceptable.
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What if he was bullied by the deaf community???? Dunno....maybe he was bullied by a couple of deaf community members and is thinking guilt by association. :)
 
TXgolfer said:
What if he was bullied by the deaf community???? Dunno....maybe he was bullied by a couple of deaf community members and is thinking guilt by association. :)
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Surely you are not suggesting that an entire community of people bullied this man? If he had problems with one or two other individuals, then it has virtually nothing to do with anyone but those individuals.

However, there is no indication that he has been bullied. His opinions are clearly stated. His opinions are regarding the tradgedy of deafness. That is what makes his attitude so apparent.
 
And in his life, it's been a curse. Surely he's allowed to have an opinion about his own life?

Do you have more compassion for people who have a loss in their life in other areas and consider their life poorer for it?
 
Beach girl said:
And in his life, it's been a curse. Surely he's allowed to have an opinion about his own life?

Do you have more compassion for people who have a loss in their life in other areas and consider their life poorer for it?
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Then he needs to resrtict it to his life, and not make a pronouncement that is so generally intended.

Quite frankly, you have no idea what my level of compassion is, or the ways in which I assist others in their adjustment issues.

When one considers their life poorer because of a loss, they need to grieve that loss and, eventually accept that a change is not needy of a value judgement of good or bad. A change is a change, period. It is only made good or bad through attitude.
 
Beach girl said:
And in his life, it's been a curse. Surely he's allowed to have an opinion about his own life?

Do you have more compassion for people who have a loss in their life in other areas and consider their life poorer for it?
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It's better to be optimistic than to be pessimistic. People do not want to be around the pessimists. That's the hard truth of life.
 
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I think that my post #53 and #55 are poor taste because I don't understand about this article saying so fuck to them.
 
Banjo said:
It's bette to be optimistic than to be pessimistic. People do not want to be around the pessimists. That's the hard truth of life.
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Exactly. Life is what one makes of it through their attitude toward it. See deafness as a curse, and it will be. See it as simply a difference to be lived with, and you will be a much happier and well adjusted person. And chances are, you will have many more friends.:P
 
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