Cochlear decison

[sallylou]

Definitely moving toward text. It has the very important function of documentation. It's evidence. That means that you should expect anything that you type as possible evidence (and if so, it may become public record).

 

[Mountain Man]

no one said it is. The child acquires language by being immersed in it all their waking hours, not an hour a week in an office.

What some might call intensive speech therapy, yes?

So if Cvtorres and his family decide that cochlear implants are the way to go, they should be prepared for the child to undergo years of intensive speech therapy. Is this the truth or scare tactics? Based on your own experiences, you tell me.

 

[Beowulf]

And you know this because, what, you were there to observe the interactions between us and our daughter?

Sorry honey but just because you tried but could not do it does not give you the right to take it out on those of us that could.

Maybe you only dwell upon the negatives of the parent/child relationship because you are looking in the mirror too much.

Regardless of whether a child is deaf or hearing a constant that I have observed is that parents and children who have maintained good relationships with each other from infancy through adulthood have communicated with, not at, each other.

I have yet to meet the perfect parent and God knows its not me but I have met many parents who take their roles as parents seriously and strive to build relationships with their children. I tip my hat to them. I would rather help them up then knock them down as you so often do.
Rick

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[DeafCaroline]

And you know this because, what, you were there to observe the interactions between us and our daughter?

Sorry honey but just because you tried but could not do it does not give you the right to take it out on those of us that could.

Maybe you only dwell upon the negatives of the parent/child relationship because you are looking in the mirror too much.

Regardless of whether a child is deaf or hearing a constant that I have observed is that parents and children who have maintained good relationships with each other from infancy through adulthood have communicated with, not at, each other.

I have yet to meet the perfect parent and God knows its not me but I have met many parents who take their roles as parents seriously and strive to build relationships with their children. I tip my hat to them. I would rather help them up then knock them down as you so often do.
Rick

No one is knocking down hearing parents for their parenting...what is being challenged are views and perceptions and statements.

My mother bent over backwards to be the best parent possible to me and she was a wonderful loving mom with whom I had endless chats and long late night discussions about everything and nothing not to mention countless times we've laughed and really enjoyed being with each other and I miss her as much as I did the day she left us but that still doesn't mean that her approach to me as a parent of a deaf child was the best approach.

Questioning one's approach and standpoints is not the same as questioning whether they are good parents or not.

You're the one mixing this up, not us.

All we want and at times demand is factual honest straightforward information so we can have frank debates, not hearing parents whipping out anecdotal information and saying "well, that's not the case for ALL kids."

Of course not. Nothing is the same for all kids and we never said that. However, the very fact that neither you, Grendel nor faire jour is even willing to admit that yes, there are failures and yes, some kids don't do as well as others, tells me that you all don't even want to acknowledge certain truths out of some fear that perhaps your child may not turn out to be the exception after all.

Whatever. If you think you're doing a good job campaigning for childhood implantation by coming here to a deaf forum for the deaf and slamming the deaf for being so "anti-CI" - um...think again. It's not a very effective tactic especially when you leave sarcastic withering comments.

 

[Bottesini]

Online ordering, delivery, even grocery stores are going online.

Executives mostly do email these days. Corporations are switching to work @ home solutions to save money.

As we are going international, more and more things will become internet based. Everything, down to the production line. Ford has a production line that looks like your local taco bell system. Everything is on the computer and it tells you what part to put on which car, so you just slap it onto the robot. No need to talk.

I asked about a corporate executive job and asked what it was like, dude was like "Bro, you can do it. at least 80% of the job is email based"

I already pretty much live that way.

 

[jillio]

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i do not believe she is being paid for her website or her views. I disagree with you. I believe her.

And because you don't believe she is being paid, it makes it true? I think not. You have demonstrated that you "believe" a lot of things that are contrary to fact.

 

[Banjo]

And because you don't believe she is being paid, it makes it true? I think not. You have demonstrated that you "believe" a lot of things that are contrary to fact.

I disagree with you, I believe the Earth is flat.

 

[jillio]

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no one said it is. The child acquires language by being immersed in it all their waking hours, not an hour a week in an office.

No, the child is taught language through directive exercise during all of their waking hours. You don't seem to understand the difference.

 

[jillio]

I disagree with you, I believe the Earth is flat.

It has just about come down to that. Don't let fact get in the way of what you want to believe.

 

[Banjo]

It has just about come down to that. Don't let fact get in the way of what you want to believe.

Damn right!

 

[jillio]

And you know this because, what, you were there to observe the interactions between us and our daughter?

Sorry honey but just because you tried but could not do it does not give you the right to take it out on those of us that could.

Maybe you only dwell upon the negatives of the parent/child relationship because you are looking in the mirror too much.

Regardless of whether a child is deaf or hearing a constant that I have observed is that parents and children who have maintained good relationships with each other from infancy through adulthood have communicated with, not at, each other.

I have yet to meet the perfect parent and God knows its not me but I have met many parents who take their roles as parents seriously and strive to build relationships with their children. I tip my hat to them. I would rather help them up then knock them down as you so often do.
Rick

When did this become about you and your child? That assumption is rather preseumptuous and self centered, don't you think?

As for the rest, you really make me laugh. The need to strike out at others with such nastiness says so much about both your character and your belief in your decisions. You deserve our pity.

 

[AlleyCat]

And you know this because, what, you were there to observe the interactions between us and our daughter?

Sorry honey but just because you tried but could not do it does not give you the right to take it out on those of us that could.

Maybe you only dwell upon the negatives of the parent/child relationship because you are looking in the mirror too much.

Regardless of whether a child is deaf or hearing a constant that I have observed is that parents and children who have maintained good relationships with each other from infancy through adulthood have communicated with, not at, each other.

I have yet to meet the perfect parent and God knows its not me but I have met many parents who take their roles as parents seriously and strive to build relationships with their children. I tip my hat to them. I would rather help them up then knock them down as you so often do.
Rick

The same relationship in which your daughter, as soon as she leaves home and goes to college, graduates with a fluency in ASL that she never got to learn her whole life at home?

 

[Beowulf]

The same relationship in which your daughter, as soon as she leaves home and goes to college, graduates with a fluency in ASL that she never got to learn her whole life at home?

Why would she talk to him if he still calls her a child? Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

 

[faire_jour]

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no one said it is. The child acquires language by being immersed in it all their waking hours, not an hour a week in an office.

What some might call intensive speech therapy, yes?

So if Cvtorres and his family decide that cochlear implants are the way to go, they should be prepared for the child to undergo years of intensive speech therapy. Is this the truth or scare tactics? Based on your own experiences, you tell me.

no, that would not be my experience, and i have a very late implanted child. I do not consider playing "i spy" or "20 questions" in the car, reading books together and discussing life together to be "intensive therapy". I call it living.

 

[faire_jour]

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no one said it is. The child acquires language by being immersed in it all their waking hours, not an hour a week in an office.

No, the child is taught language through directive exercise during all of their waking hours. You don't seem to understand the difference.

no, kids with implants are able to pick up incidental language through listening. That is how they learn language. The kids that turn out the best are the kids that exposed to the most language for them to pick up.

 

[shel90]

And you don't see a problem with simply talking, talking, talking at the child all the time?

 

[shel90]

Oh, I get it. Everybody's experience except yours is "wrong". :roll:

With her, it is so true about everyone else being wrong.

 

[shel90]

Obviously you are not aware of Rachel's history. She was paid to provide her testimonials. That's why she got the boot from the DeafRead aggregator site. I also have seen what Rachel's mother is like. She's just another manipulative and overzealous mother. Nothing new. I can certainly understand why Rachel is the way she is because of her mother.

Oh that woman was a nightmare!!!!

 

[jillio]

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no, kids with implants are able to pick up incidental language through listening. That is how they learn language. The kids that turn out the best are the kids that exposed to the most language for them to pick up.

If they are picking up language through incidental learning and hearing, why all the directive therapy?

Kids that turn out "the best"? I see. Kids who develop more spoken language are "the best." And to that end, kids without spoken language are "the worst".

Once again, your motive is spoken language and ending up with a child that most closely resembles a hearing child that surgical intervention and constant therapy can provide. Thanks for the cofirmation.

 

[shel90]

If they are picking up language through incidental learning and hearing, why all the directive therapy?

Kids that turn out "the best"? I see. Kids who develop more spoken language are "the best." And to that end, kids without spoken language are "the worst".

Once again, your motive is spoken language and ending up with a child that most closely resembles a hearing child that surgical intervention and constant therapy can provide. Thanks for the cofirmation.

So I guess people like my brother and many of my friends who have no speech skills are at the bottom of the pile like garbage.

Nice view on deaf people that hearing society has of us. Nice.