Champion Runner Has Both Female/Male Sexual Characteristics

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Gender tests conducted on 18-year-old track sensation Caster Semenya have determined that the South African woman has both male and female sexual characteristics, Australia's Daily Telegraph is reporting.

Semenya blew away the competition at last month’s IAAF World Track & Field Championships in Berlin. But the runner's stunning times, coupled with her muscular build and deep voice, led many to question whether she was, in fact, a woman.

The IAAF refused to comment on the claim, but earlier in the day general secretary Pierre Weiss said, "It is clear that she is a woman but maybe not 100 percent," the London Times reported.

The International Association of Athletics Federations, the governing body of international track and field, ordered gender tests on Semenya that involved a physical medical evaluation and reports from a gynecologist, endocrinologist, psychologist, internal medicine specialist and gender expert.

The Telegraph, citing an unidentified source, reported that they indicate that Semenya is intersex, with both male and female sexual characteristics.

The IAAF expects to receive the full set of medical results this week, the Telegraph reported.

According to the Telegraph, the tests reportedly showed that Semenya has no uterus or ovaries, and that she has three times more testosterone than a normal woman.

A source closely involved with the IAAF tests said Semenya had internal testes — the male sexual organs that produce testosterone, according to the Telegraph.

As a result, the IAAF could disqualify the South African from future events and strip her of her gold medal, the newspaper reported.

But IAAF spokesman Nick Davies told the Associated Press on Tuesday that Semenya is likely to keep her gold.

But IAAF spokesman Nick Davies told the Associated Press on Tuesday that Semenya is likely to keep her gold.

"There is no automatic disqualification of results in a case like this," Davies said. "This is not a doping case at present, so it shouldn't be considered as one where you have a retroactive stripping of results."

According to the National Institutes of Health, intersex, once referred to as hermaphroditism, is a group of conditions where there is a discrepancy between the external genitals and the internal genitals (the testes and ovaries).

Alison Redick, assistant professor of women's studies and a medical historian at Hobart and William Smith Colleges in Geneva, N.Y., said this is the kind of case that poses the question: What standards are we using for sex and gender?

“Given that testosterone is not an exclusively male hormone — both male and female bodies produce testosterone and estrogen — where do we draw the line?” Redick asked. “And trying to draw that line is always going to be a problem, regardless of what someone’s biology indicates.”

Gender testing used to be mandatory for female athletes at the Olympics, but the screenings were dropped in 1999. One reason for the change was that not all women have standard female chromosomes.

There are also cases of people who have ambiguous genitalia or other congenital conditions. The most common cause of sexual ambiguity is congenital adrenal hyperplasia, an endocrine disorder where the adrenal glands produce abnormally high levels of hormones.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Click here to read more from The Daily Telegraph.

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Yeah, my friend told me about that stuff when I was chatting with him few weeks ago. It was really interesting to hear what he had to say about them.
 
Wow, that's really interesting. I wonder what her chromosome looks like in terms of XX/XY.
 
I find it grossly disturbing that everyone is so interested in what's under this girl's pants. Really, what the hell business of ours is it?
 
I was reading the sports article yesterday.

As for blind readers here, she looks like a man, and has a broader shoulders, and a wide neck.

She is doing so well at track and field, and already has numerous of records That raised questions whether she was a man or not. I hope they would let her keep her medals.

According to YOU magazine, she said that it didn't upset her. "God made me the way I am and I accept myself".
 
Wow, that's really interesting. I wonder what her chromosome looks like in terms of XX/XY.

It would depend on the syndrome responsible for the intersex condition.
 
I find it grossly disturbing that everyone is so interested in what's under this girl's pants. Really, what the hell business of ours is it?

because this is about fairness in competition. You cannot have a man winning in women competition. as long as this sexually-ambiguous person wants to compete professionally, we'll have to do probing, digging, asking, etc.... just like what we did to football/baseball players for steroid.
 
because this is about fairness in competition. You cannot have a man winning in women competition. as long as this sexually-ambiguous person wants to compete professionally, we'll have to do probing, digging, asking, etc.... just like what we did to football/baseball players for steroid.

Ahhh..but she is not a man. She is intersexed biologically, and her gender is female. She has, instead of ovaries, undescended testes that could be responsible for higher levels of testosterone that a biological female. However, that can in no way be considered to be "cheating" as it is a naturally occuring phenomenon.
 
According to Daily Telegraphy, it has a poll..

Should world women's 800m champion Caster Semenya be stripped of her gold medal?

46.14% (3721 votes) yes
53.86% (4344 votes) no

The poll is still active.
 
Ahhh..but she is not a man. She is intersexed biologically, and her gender is female. She has, instead of ovaries, undescended testes that could be responsible for higher levels of testosterone that a biological female. However, that can in no way be considered to be "cheating" as it is a naturally occuring phenomenon.

yep that's what I mean. If she has a "male" system, that is unfair. It is not cheating but it's just not fair for female competitors.

As you said - this is a phenomenon case and also... the unprecedented case. It poses an interesting question.
 
yep that's what I mean. If she has a "male" system, that is unfair. It is not cheating but it's just not fair for female competitors.

As you said - this is a phenomenon case and also... the unprecedented case. It poses an interesting question.

Yes, it does. But we need to keep in mind that she has neither a fully functioning male system (only undescended testes) nor a fully functioning female system (absence of ovaries). She is intersexed. I don't see that it is unfair at all, as her levels of testosterone are not the same as would be found in a male, and all females have a degree of testosterone in their systems...some more than others whether they are intersexed or not.
 
Yes, it does. But we need to keep in mind that she has neither a fully functioning male system (only undescended testes) nor a fully functioning female system (absence of ovaries). She is intersexed. I don't see that it is unfair at all, as her levels of testosterone are not the same as would be found in a male, and all females have a degree of testosterone in their systems...some more than others whether they are intersexed or not.

most interesting. but..... what about female athletes? is her level of testosterone is within the average as them or is it abnormally high?
 
most interesting. but..... what about female athletes? is her level of testosterone is within the average as them or is it abnormally high?

I don't know that comparison studies have been done.

But I really see no difference in this, and someone who was born with a well above average intelligence competing in academic games.
 
I find it grossly disturbing that everyone is so interested in what's under this girl's pants. Really, what the hell business of ours is it?

It's also interesting because for the longest time, we thought that genetics could only yield two biological sexes in humans. And now we are finding out otherwise.

So yes, I'm interested in what's in her pants! :giggle:
 
I'm interested in knowing what syndrome she has.

We may never know. There are any number of syndromes that can be responsible for an intersexed individual. The way I am reading the information, however, is that she has undescended testes rather than ovaries, but other than that, she has female characteristics. This is actually the most common of all the intersexed conditions. Most of the time, it isn't even recognized until the female attempts to become pregnant and is found to be infertile.
 
We may never know. There are any number of syndromes that can be responsible for an intersexed individual. The way I am reading the information, however, is that she has undescended testes rather than ovaries, but other than that, she has female characteristics. This is actually the most common of all the intersexed conditions. Most of the time, it isn't even recognized until the female attempts to become pregnant and is found to be infertile.

If that were the case then my girly girl friend from HS may not be able to get pregnant due to possibly being intersexed, and then me a regular all-American tomboy rough and tumble with the guys sort of thing can get pregnant right off the bat not a problem?

This keeps getting more and more interesting. I always believed that girls who were tomboy had a higher level of testosterone in their system and the girly girls had more estrogen? Or is all that just a bunch of psychological BS?
 
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