Can the President Order Your Death Wtihout Due Process?

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Reba said:
The Constitution covers the duties and limitations of the US President, yes. We expect the President to follow the laws of the Constitution, yes.

US Constitutional protections don't cover Americans overseas. They are under the laws of whatever country they are in.

We can say that the President is required to obey the Constitution.

We can't say that the Constitution protects Americans overseas. Just because a person is an American, his Constitutional rights don't follow him overseas.

That doesn't mean the President is allowed to ignore the laws that limit his powers.
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if it's that simple and "*shrug* I see nothing wrong since it happened oversea", then I am truly fearful for America. Good luck finding any country that would even agree to allow this shameless act to happen in their country.

Beside... I don't see any way around this since President Ford had already issued executive order forbidding any government-sanctioned assassination/murder/etc. I also don't see ANYBODY in government supporting this either.

Reba said:
I don't see the relevance of the Israeli example upon our laws.
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a political mess. an embarrassment. a public mistrust. and worst of all - politic of fear.
 
John Walker Lindh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

John Phillip Walker Lindh (born February 9, 1981) is a United States citizen who was captured as an enemy combatant during the United States' 2001 invasion of Afghanistan. He is now serving a 20-year prison sentence in connection with his participation in Afghanistan's Taliban army. He was captured during the Battle of Qala-i-Jangi, a violent Taliban prison uprising during which Central Intelligence Agency officer Johnny "Mike" Spann was killed.
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Jiro said:
:ty: for proving my point that we did not have to resort to lawless action.

John Lindh is a coward. He was brought to trial and now sentenced to prison.
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And ... I would have had no problem with the U.S. President ordering him killed. Just saying.
 
Steinhauer said:
And ... I would have had no problem with the U.S. President ordering him killed. Just saying.
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that's fine. I don't hold your opinion with any value anyway. most of your opinons are unfounded and un-American. must be nice living in the boonie away from real world. just saying.
 
Jiro said:
that's fine. I don't hold your opinion with any value anyway. most of your opinons are unfounded and un-American. must be nice living in the boonie away from real world. just saying.
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Actually, that happened during GWB watch. he also brought Saddam Hussein to trial too - he didn't assassinate him like Obama assassinated Osama.

Just saying :giggle:

Must be wonderfully blissful to think country folks are dumb.
 
Steinhauer said:
Actually, that happened during GWB watch. he also brought Saddam Hussein to trial too - he didn't assassinate him like Obama assassinated Osama.

Just saying :giggle:
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I don't follow. Osama bin Laden was armed while Special Forces was clearing the rooms and pointed AK-47 at them.

That's not assassination. and beside.... GWB's the one who posted a poster - "DEAD OR ALIVE"

Steinhauer said:
Must be wonderfully blissful to think country folks are dumb.
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Only you. and you did it yourself. :wave:

I can see you are upset because you're resorting to these childish play. Please calm down and come back when you have cooled down.
 
Jiro said:
I don't follow. Osama bin Laden was armed while Special Forces was clearing the rooms and pointed AK-47 at them.

That's not assassination. and beside.... GWB's the one who posted a poster - "DEAD OR ALIVE"


Only you. and you did it yourself. :wave:
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Laughable. John Walker was armed too.

So was Saddam.
 
Steinhauer said:
Laughable. John Walker was armed too.
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and?

some armed criminals get lucky. some didn't. did Walker surrender? did Osama bin Laden surrender? did Saddam surrender?
 
Jiro said:
and?

some armed criminals get lucky. some didn't. did Walker surrender? did Osama bin Laden surrender? did Saddam surrender?
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Nope nope and nope. But under GWB's watch, Saddam and Walker were put on trial. :cool2:

So, you are pretty much stating that what GWB did was far more superior (and American) that what Obama has done.

Made me all giggleitty.
 
Steinhauer said:
Nope nope and nope. But under GWB's watch, Saddam and Walker were put on trial. :cool2:

So, you are pretty much stating that what GWB did was far more superior (and American) that what Obama has done.

Made me all giggleitty.
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aw.... you're very disappointed that GWB didn't have balls to execute them like Obama...
 
Jiro said:
sorry nope. no exception. once you do it, there's always another one and another one. where does it stop? do you know why nobody does this? because it's illegal and unconstitutional. no sane President would ever touch this issue with a 100-miles pole because it's completely wrong on MANY levels. this is against Founding Fathers' ideal for America.

btw - Osama bin Laden and others like him were not American citizens. this article is talking about the President giving an order to kill an American citizen.

but seriously? why are you still afraid of Arabs? are you really that terrified enough to let President and Congress pass any laws that would trample over Constitution? it must be wonderful to be a white person in America.
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I agree with you in most circumstances. I am not afraid of any Arabs by the way!!!??? What does this have to do with my race??? By the way what race am I???

But let's suppose that there was an "American born citizen" that went to Syria or Lebanon (wherever overseas) and he no longer was sane and whether he did or did nor deny his citizenship he now decides that he wants to for whatever reason kill mass amounts of Americans in America. We uncover this plot and find out that he not only has the means but the potential (weapons, bombs, accomplices, etc..) to carry out this potentially deady mission that he is planning. We have been trying to locate him and track him but he eludes us. He is in every way a very credible threat. We locate him and he is now heavily armed and fortified with assistance from others. He has vowed that he will fight to his death rather than surrender but if he survives he will carry out his mission. What will you do now???? :hmm:
 
Jiro said:
aw.... you're very disappointed that GWB didn't have balls to execute them like Obama...
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Nope, not at all.

I am still giggling .. been a long time since I had a good laugh like this one ... thank you Jiro.
 
airportcop said:
I agree with you in most circumstances. I am not afraid of any Arabs by the way!!!??? What does this have to do with my race??? By the way what race am I???

But let's suppose that there was an "American born citizen" that went to Syria or Lebanon (wherever overseas) and he no longer was sane and whether he did or did nor deny his citizenship he now decides that he wants to for whatever reason kill mass amounts of Americans in America. We uncover this plot and find out that he not only has the means but the potential (weapons, bombs, accomplices, etc..) to carry out this potentially deady mission that he is planning. We have been trying to locate him and track him but he eludes us. He is in every way a very credible threat. We locate him and he is now heavily armed and fortified with assistance from others. He has vowed that he will fight to his death rather than surrender but if he survives he will carry out his mission. What will you do now???? :hmm:
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so let the military take him out in a conventional way since he's an enemy combatant. why the cloak and dagger behind secret backdoor to assassinate him and keep it a hush hush?

President Obama signed National Defense Authorization Act stating that his administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens because he said "Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation.”

Detaining one indefinitely is one thing... but to kill one without due process? whoooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......... slippery slope!
 
Steinhauer said:
Nope, not at all.

I am still giggling .. been a long time since I had a good laugh like this one ... thank you Jiro.
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it's ok. See Post #28 and #30.
 
Jiro said:
aw.... you're very disappointed that GWB didn't have balls to execute them like Obama...
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no, it is not that he did not have the balls. GWB never bothered to look, as long as the Osama
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boogey man was loose, GWB could use the fear to get what he wanted...
 
And post #18 pretty much sums up that I agreed with Obama in how he handled Osama Bin Laden.

It would have been nice for Osama to have been put on trial, maybe the victims of 9/11 would have had better closure - or maybe it would have just stirred up more anger. In any case, the Islamic Radicals cannot martyr a body that lies at the bottom of the ocean.
 
I would have to go back to my law class, but I believe this is covered under national security. The president has the power to conduct war without the consent of congress for a period of time(which I think should be shortened due to new technology), I believe he is legally defending the country against all threats foreign and domestic.

And, yes, Bush would have and probably did do it for all we know. This isn't partisan, it's national defense.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I would have to go back to my law class, but I believe this is covered under national security. The president has the power to conduct war without the consent of congress for a period of time(which I think should be shortened due to new technology), I believe he is legally defending the country against all threats foreign and domestic.

And, yes, Bush would have and probably did do it for all we know. This isn't partisan, it's national defense.
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what you speaks of is only for enemy combatants, not American citizen.
 
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