Call For Occupy AGBell/ AuditoryVerbal International!

posts from hell said:
I consulted with my friends and we all agreed its not even worth giving AGB the publicity.

...sorry for the threadkill.
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But it wouldn't....It would basicly point out that oral only is a HUGE HUGE business, and AG Bell sweeps the fact that oralism is a business (meaning it's dependent on very expensive healthcare) under the rug. This could raise hearing parent's awareness that the "independance" that AG Bad pushes is in actuallty dependance, since it's dependent on very expesive healthcare to suceed. Even middle class people may not have access to decent healthcare!"
 
deafdyke said:
But it wouldn't....It would basicly point out that oral only is a HUGE HUGE business, and AG Bell sweeps the fact that oralism is a business (meaning it's dependent on very expensive healthcare) under the rug. This could raise hearing parent's awareness that the "independance" that AG Bad pushes is in actuallty dependance, since it's dependent on very expesive healthcare to suceed. Even middle class people may not have access to decent healthcare!"
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Exactly! They have complained that ASL is like crutches, yet they replaced the reliable ASL with something that is far expensive and less reliable - hearing aids and now CIs which are really crutches. They don't even see it that way. Odd!!
 
Wait wait, are you saying that HAs are crutches? Same for CI? I thought we were all pretty much accepting of anyone and everyone who falls into the d/hh category, regardless if and what technology they may use and regardless of how they were raised. Yes, I used to wear HAs and I am considering going back to them, but that doesn't mean I enjoyed the way I was raised as oral and mainstreamed. I don't see HAs as being a crutch, but it doesn't make me hearing. At the end of the day when I remove them, I am still d/hh just the same
As a child with a CI is still deaf at the end of the day. It is to be used in conjunction with ASL. Maybe I am 'too hearing' but I still identify myself as d/hh because
That's what I am.

JMHO.
 
Dixie said:
Wait wait, are you saying that HAs are crutches? Same for CI? I thought we were all pretty much accepting of anyone and everyone who falls into the d/hh category, regardless if and what technology they may use and regardless of how they were raised. Yes, I used to wear HAs and I am considering going back to them, but that doesn't mean I enjoyed the way I was raised as oral and mainstreamed. I don't see HAs as being a crutch, but it doesn't make me hearing. At the end of the day when I remove them, I am still d/hh just the same
As a child with a CI is still deaf at the end of the day. It is to be used in conjunction with ASL. Maybe I am 'too hearing' but I still identify myself as d/hh because
That's what I am.

JMHO.
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We're saying that dependence on ONLY HA/CIs is a crutch. If you have both speech and sign, its not a crutch....but if you're raised oral only with only HA/CI, then you can't function without them, so its a crutch!
 
Dixie said:
Wait wait, are you saying that HAs are crutches? Same for CI? I thought we were all pretty much accepting of anyone and everyone who falls into the d/hh category, regardless if and what technology they may use and regardless of how they were raised. Yes, I used to wear HAs and I am considering going back to them, but that doesn't mean I enjoyed the way I was raised as oral and mainstreamed. I don't see HAs as being a crutch, but it doesn't make me hearing. At the end of the day when I remove them, I am still d/hh just the same
As a child with a CI is still deaf at the end of the day. It is to be used in conjunction with ASL. Maybe I am 'too hearing' but I still identify myself as d/hh because
That's what I am.

JMHO.
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Can you still understand hearing people without HA? If not, then they taught you to depend on HA to communicate with them. In my opinion, they are handicapping us when they refuse to learn ASL and demand that we learn to speak and be like them.

I have learn to speak but have they learn ASL to be fair with me??? I feel it is a one way respect so I said "Enough"!
 
posts from hell said:
I consulted with my friends and we all agreed its not even worth giving AGB the publicity.

...sorry for the threadkill.
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I am curious.. What made you and your friends decide it is not worth giving AGB the publicity?? As you know AGB and audists oppress us Deafies on jobs, education, etc..
 
Oddball said:
I am curious.. What made you and your friends decide it is not worth giving AGB the publicity?? As you know AGB and audists oppress us Deafies on jobs, education, etc..
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Better to invest our energy in other things...

Plus: AGB can say "They're just angry that we're providing hearing to deaf people..." And the masses will just believe them.
 
posts from hell said:
Better to invest our energy in other things...

Plus: AGB can say "They're just angry that we're providing hearing to deaf people..." And the masses will just believe them.
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That was what I thought was your reason was....the Deaf community really needs to get together and really advocate for ourselves...
 
Well... to be honest, I feel no one should bash/critique ABELL organizations if you want to promote ASL. I don't think parents or anybody would interest in Deaf politics, so it is better to say so many awesome researches and great benefits from ASL. They are good enough to convince people that sign languages do work, and they show ASL is not a crutch or something.

I am not sure what I would say... I hope you know what I mean.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Well... to be honest, I feel no one should bash/critique ABELL organizations if you want to promote ASL. I don't think parents or anybody would interest in Deaf politics, so it is better to say so many awesome researches and great benefits from ASL. They are good enough to convince people that sign languages do work, and they show ASL is not a crutch or something.

I am not sure what I would say... I hope you know what I mean.
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Not bash them. We should acknowledge that yes....speech is a good skill for dhh kids to have...but it shouldn't be the only abilty to have....and it's not bashing them. Just like the current protests aren't about bashing wall street, but rather the income inequality that is causing horrific economic meltdown.... It's AG Bell's insistance that oral only (which is dependent on very good healthcare) which is causing all the problems, and making us stay shackled in poverty and making us dependent on govt programs.
 
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