California's new law about spaying and neuter!

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My friend just talked to me that in California' new law about spay and neuter. They are warning to all dog breeders in California that If animal control caught the loose dog show> bitch or stud then will immediately to castrate stud and spaying bitch! They don't care if your show dog is worth thousand dollars. They will be billing you of Vet's cost and animal control's fees! She asked me about Massachusetts's law. I told her I have no idea! Wow!! :|


I am sure Jiro aware of this? :shrug:
 
Yes, they called it "Mandatory Spay/Neuter Bill". It also applies to K-9 dogs, and many guide dogs for the blind and service dogs for the disabled as well. Of course, the US Police Canine Association, the Western States Police Canine Association, the North American Police Work Dog Association and the Canine Specialized Search Team strongly oppose it.

I think AB 1634 (CA Healthy Pets Act) did not pass out of the Senate. Bob Barker, the host of The Price is right, Ben Stein, and Diane Keaton support it. I can't recall the rest. Anyway, it was defeated.
 
Im former Animal Control officer. Yes, it is true BUT they [organizations] against the idea because of numbers of disablities people who is in need of dogs to guide. Well, i cannot do anything because im TIRED to catching those stray dogs everyday. TOO MANY dogs that are strays show up at shelter, i had to contact owners everyday to find it out why did it happened. Most of time, they kept say, "loose gate" or "dig out from the hole" or "it is accident let dog go" or even, "That dog isnt mine, somebody put collar on that dog". The percentage of those incidents are lied from owners because they AVOID to pay the fines. Yes, im tired of stray dogs. Why cant they just simply to be RESPONSIBLE to well take care of dogs as like their own children.

Good thing, i left and become teacher, also, less worry for me to go out to chase stray dogs.
 
Im former Animal Control officer. Yes, it is true BUT they [organizations] against the idea because of numbers of disablities people who is in need of dogs to guide. Well, i cannot do anything because im TIRED to catching those stray dogs everyday. TOO MANY dogs that are strays show up at shelter, i had to contact owners everyday to find it out why did it happened. Most of time, they kept say, "loose gate" or "dig out from the hole" or "it is accident let dog go" or even, "That dog isnt mine, somebody put collar on that dog". The percentage of those incidents are lied from owners because they AVOID to pay the fines. Yes, im tired of stray dogs. Why cant they just simply to be RESPONSIBLE to well take care of dogs as like their own children.

Good thing, i left and become teacher, also, less worry for me to go out to chase stray dogs.

These people are extremely irresponsible if they say shit like "that dog isn't mine, someone put that collar on that dog"...and then refuse to pay the fine. :mad2: Obviously they don't care about the poor dog. Now the dog is homeless and might even be euthanized if no one comes and adopts the dog and there is not enough room at the shelter and because the dog's original owners doesn't care enough to pay the fine. :mad2: That is really sad. :( If I had a dog that accidentally got out somehow and it had my name and address on his/her collar, I would definitely take the responsibility for it and go down to the shelter and pay the fine and retrieve the dog, and I would ask questions as to what I can do to improve things so that there would be less chances of my dog getting out again. Dogs and cats are like children, we should love them and take care of them as if they were our own children...why did they get the dog or the cat in the first place? So they would have somebody to love, like a child. I have cats and they are like my own children to me, and I would never say shit like that if one of my cats got out and the shelter called me and said they had my cat and that I would need to go down to the shelter, pay the fine, and come get my cat. I would definitely say, "sure" and I would run down to the shelter as fast as I could and pay the fine and profusely thank them over and over again for calling me and for finding my cat, and get my cat back because I love my cats with all my heart. I would do the same if I had a dog, too. I consider my animals my own children. They mean the world to me. I also keep ALL my cats indoors 24/7/365 and I am very careful not to let my cats escape. I constantly check on my cats to make sure they are all in my apartment. I do it when I get up, and then before I go out somewhere, and then when I come back I check again, and then a couple more times and then again before I go to bed.

I would call bullshit on the owners who lie and say that someone else put the collar with their name and address on the dog. Why in the world would someone else do that to a dog that isn't even theirs in the first place? That's really dumb. It makes me so mad! :mad2: I care so much about all kinds of animals and I cannot stand people who would not bother to get their pets back just because they do not want to pay the fine. I would pay the fine if I was them, because my pet means so much to me, even if the fine was $500 or even $1000, I would pay it to get my pet back. That's how much my pets mean to me.

I wonder if these people knows or even realizes that animals are often euthanized everyday at the shelters because there are simply not enough room and the shelters are often very overcrowded. I used to go to the Humane Society back in Minnesota and they have a whiteboard on the wall that says how many has been surrendered, how many has been adopted out, and also how many has been euthanized today. Like for example:

Animals surrendered today: 11

Animals adopted today: 8

Animals euthanized today: 14

They do this to try to make the people who do come visit the Humane Society realize how serious the situation is at the shelter there and at many other shelters elsewhere.

It breaks my heart when I see how many animals has been euthanized each day. It is not fair. They do get euthanized, even if they are healthy. This happens a LOT here in San Antonio, more than back in Minnesota. I noticed the situation here is a lot worse here in Texas than back in Minnesota, and therefore I can't bear to visit the Humane Society nor the Animal Defense League or the other animal shelters around the city anymore. It is a very sad situation. It is SO sad that, when I see a stray dog or cat, I don't call the animal control on them because I do not want them to end up being euthanized. The library down the street from me feeds the stray cats all the time cause they know the stray cats can fend for themselves on their own as long as they do get fed by the library. If I had the kind of money, I would definitely do T/N/R (or whatever it is called - Trap/Neuter (or spay)/Release. That way they do not end up being euthanized at the animal shelter, and they can just live outdoors on their own, but won't be able to procreate anymore, therefore attempting to reduce the population of stray cats and dogs. Many people do this. But not everyone can do this because the people who do this have to pay the costs of neutering and spaying and the resulting vet bills from the neutering/spaying (meds, equipment used to neuter/spay, etc). It's expensive, so not everyone can do it, unfortunately.

When I moved down here from Minnesota I was very surprised at the number of stray cats here! In Minnesota I have only seen a stray cat only once in a great while. But here, there are so many. When I walk to the library I will see up to about 6 or 8 cats sitting in the shade in a corner at the side of the library. And I often see many cats walking through the parking lot of my apartment complex, with no collars at all, and they are usually strays because I like to pet cats (I know I shouldn't pet them because of risk of fleas but I can't help it), and most often run away from me, which usually means they are feral/stray cats who are not used to humans. Sometimes I do find a cat that likes to be petted, but it breaks my heart because I cannot keep that cat because I already have the maximum number of cats allowed in my apartment (as it says in the fine print of my lease). So I just pet it, sometimes spend a little time with the cat, and sometimes I give it treats or food if it looks skinny or seems hungry. It is truly a sad situation, but I won't call animal control because ALL the shelters here in the city are OVERCROWDED and if I do call the animal control, I am afraid the cat will end up being euthanized, or if the cat is added to the population of the cats already at the shelter, one of the cats that is already there will end up being euthanized to make room for the new cat. I don't think that is fair. So, all I can do is feed the cat, and then let it go on its way. The only time I will ever call animal control is if I see an animal being abused or being quite neglected. I had to do this a few weeks ago, sadly, because I saw this woman with two dogs, two poodles who both looked to be about six months old, who were VERY dirty and covered in dog shit (I could smell it) and the woman was stuffing the dogs into a very small carrier that was designed for guinea pigs. She was at the bus stop. I was worried that she was neglecting the dogs and she shouldn't be stuffing two poodles of that size into a carrier that was small enough for two guinea pigs. I was shocked. :shock:

Someday when I am healthier (after having my back and my hips fixed) and am cleared to work again, and if I get paid well enough, I will hopefully start my own T/N/R program, maybe do a couple animals a month, depending on how many I can afford, and I would also as well have the feral/spray cats/dogs vaccinated for rabies as well too. And some places do a program where they can provide low-cost spaying/neutering for the cats and the dogs once or twice a year. People should take advantage of this program if they are on a fixed income. I think they cost like about $25 for cats and maybe $50 for dogs, not sure, but that is cheap. But honestly, I am not sure of the exact cost of spaying/neutering with this program, as I have never used this program. My first cat was already neutered when he came to me (from a friend of a friend who couldn't keep him) and the second cat was spayed when she had a surgery to remove her mammary tumors - ALL her female parts were removed as well, not just a simple spay - so I paid a hell of a lot for that, but fortunately I was able to pay half up front and then pay the rest on a monthly payment.

I definitely do not want to work in an animal shelters here because so many animals get euthanized and I do not want to be there to see that, it would make me so sad and make me so depressed. I would love to work with animals since I love animals, but I cannot work in animal shelters if there are so many being euthanized even if they are healthy. It's not fair. Too heart-wrenching for me. I can't handle it. :( So I have decided I am satisfied with just having my own cats.

Sorry I wrote a novel, but I have a lot of opinions!
 
My friend just talked to me that in California' new law about spay and neuter. They are warning to all dog breeders in California that If animal control caught the loose dog show> bitch or stud then will immediately to castrate stud and spaying bitch! They don't care if your show dog is worth thousand dollars. They will be billing you of Vet's cost and animal control's fees! She asked me about Massachusetts's law. I told her I have no idea! Wow!! :|

I am sure Jiro aware of this? :shrug:

wtf!!! No I'm not aware of this. I don't really like the idea of mandatory spay/neuter law because like what you said - what if you got a show/prize dog? and plus - that law is very un-American. It's like requiring mandatory sterilization for women after giving 2 children. Some states do charge you an extra yearly registration fee (or you could say "a fine") for having unneutered/unspayed pets. Many dogs from shelters are automatically neutered/spayed.
 
Lucia - You have my sympathy. and yes it can get heart-wrenching to volunteer at animal shelters. My shelter just recently caved in under very heavy political pressure to instate euthanization because of budget issue. Obviously - my boss does not like this at all but will put up a fight to abolish euthanization.

a sad reality - Animal shelter is expensive. very expensive to maintain. They must cut corner. If you really want animal shelters not to euthanize animals - then you must continue to donate your money. They rely heavily on donations and pro bono works by vets. It's also a sad fact that many undesirable dogs who did not even get adopted for a long while (some have even lived there for a few years) are usually older and/or ugly. Nobody wants to adopt a dog who has few years left.

:(
 
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wtf!!! No I'm not aware of this. I don't really like the idea of mandatory spay/neuter law because like what you said - what if you got a show/prize dog? and plus - that law is very un-American. It's like requiring mandatory sterilization for women after giving 2 children. Some states do charge you an extra yearly registration fee (or you could say "a fine") for having unneutered/unspayed pets. Many dogs from shelters are automatically neutered/spayed.

Yeah. I do not support mandatory spaying/neutering for ALL dogs and cats...if you are a professional breeder with very good ethics, then I have no problems. But if you are running a dog or cat mill, then I have huge issues. And, I think most pets should be spayed/neutered for health reasons (mammary tumors - like one of my cats) and to reduce overpopulation. But I don't want to sterilize 100% of the cats and dogs population, because I sure don't want cats and dogs to go extinct. I would like for some cats and for some dogs to continue to be able to have kitties and puppies as long as they are well cared for and stuff. But pets coming from shelters should be automatically neutered/spayed, cause you can't be 100% sure that the new owners will be responsible enough to keep the cats or the dogs from having more litters or to get them spayed/neutered, and also there are some people who are extremely irresponsible to the point where they allow their cats/dogs to continue to have many many many litters and doesn't find good homes for them, but instead keeps them and the situations gets out of control. I know of one such situation. My friend's mother was like that, and it was a terrible situation. She would have like 50 cats and kittens, and her house was extremely toxic (feces, etc) that the animal control and the health department got involved. It was a terrible situation.
 
Lucia - You have my sympathy. and yes it can get heart-wrenching to volunteer at animal shelters. My shelter just recently caved in under very heavy political pressure to instate euthanization. Obviously - my boss does not like this at all but will put up a fight to abolish euthanization because of budget issue.

a sad reality - Animal shelter is expensive. very expensive to maintain. They must cut corner. If you really want animal shelters not to euthanize animals - then you must continue to donate your money. They rely heavily on donations and pro bono works by vets. It's also a sad fact that many undesirable dogs who did not even get adopted for a long while (some have even lived there for a few years) are usually older and/or ugly. Nobody wants to adopt a dog who has few years left.

:(

That's true.

San Antonio currently has a goal to become a "no-kill" city by (I think) 2012 (I am not very sure of the year, actually) but I highly doubt that the goal will be achieved for a long time.

I love all animals, even old and ugly animals. If I could, I would adopt an adult cat or dog that is even 10 years old, but right now I am at the maximum limit of how many cats I currently have, and also I cannot afford a dog right now. So, right now, I can't. Maybe someday when I and my fiance gets married and we get our own house with more room and a nice fenced backyard, and we are both working.

Years ago, I was asked by my ex-best friend's aunt if I could take in her 17-years old cat because she was unable to constantly take the cat back and forth with her between Wisconsin and Arkansas (she has homes and businesses in both states) because it was too stressful for the very old cat, but I had to say no for one reason: vet bills. Vet bills for an older cat is too much for me, since I am on SSI and already had cats of my own. The cat had many health problems, too. Maybe I should have asked her to agree to pay all the vet bills and food for the cat and I would take care of everything else. I should have thought of this before. :(

I have seen many shelters keep a whiteboard on the wall with a wishlist for items that they want people to donate, such as cat litter, cat food no matter what the brand, litter boxes, etc, etc, etc. It's a long list. And most people don't donate. :(

Many shelters try to "sell" older cats by telling people that they are excellent "lap cats" especially for senior citizens who want a cat that is not hyper, but a cat that is calm and likes to lounge around and likes to sit on their laps and purr and stuff. They do make excellent lap cats. I just wish people would believe this. But they would rather have kittens, and then they end up getting rid of them because they find out that kittens are very hyper. :(
 
Kittens and puppies are easier to adopt out because no one wants to see a puppy or kitty put down after a too-short life, besides they are cute and cuddly. That is until they realize that there is potty and obedience training involved that is NOT overnight magic. Then you have the vet bills, food bills, proper housing (IE a sheltered outdoor kennel, or additional housebreaking if the pet is to live indoors). Most people get more than what they bargain for, by the time the puppy or kitty is a year old, they are either re-surrendered to the shelter and face euthanasia or they are thrown out to the streets to fend for themselves.

My parents would let me and my brother get a dog, but as soon as the dog misbehaved dad would 'haul it off' or if it tore up something major, he would 'put it down' usually with a .22. It was very heartbreaking. If the dog wasnt lost to either of those circumstances it was often due to getting run over because dad just simply did not want to fence the backyard to keep the pets safe.

Since we've moved he's kept a strict no-pet policy around here. When I had my dogs they had to be kept at the opposite end of the property in a kennel (a proper kennel mind you). Everyday i would walk half a mile to feed, bathe, work, train, with the dogs. I would take them to the vet when necessary. One was neutered the other was going to be nuetered in the near future as I had no plans of breeding either of them.

After a argument, a misunderstanding, and a bad stroke of financial luck, I had to make the decision to give the dogs up. Luckily a friend of mine were able to take them to a mutual friend in TN that had a place for them both.

Since then, I've largely gotten out of dogs minus the occassional pet sitting. Also Ive decided that when I am finally surely financially secure and have my own house I may get a dog, but I'm not going to get a 1,000 finished dog. Too expensive and not as practical as finding something at the shelter that will mainly be a pet.

As for the California laws - If your'e not in the breeding buisness, you need to have your pet spayed/neutered. If your dog is a guidedog then you need them desexed, all to often Ive heard of the clients letting their guidedog mingle with another intact dog and they end up with a litter. This puts undue strain on the guidedog, the pups, the shelter that now must find homes for the puppies once they are weaned, the guide dog program that must make a decision on whether or not the dog can continue in the program and they have to find a new placement for the guidedog. Guidedogs don't need their testicles and ovaries to perform their job duties, plus it removes the chance of 'accidental breeding' due to a lack of proper supervision.

Dogs that work for the military and police force can remain intact as it has been proven that desexing can reduce a dogs 'prey drive' as well as reduces their ability to use their full range of smell to detect narcotics, firearms, and tracking people and so forth.

Those that participate in shows, test, and other events that judges a dogs abilities and conformation must be a part of an established breeding program, otherwise these dogs may participate on the Limited Register. This won't be a big hurdle as big name dogs and handlers are usually closely associated with an established breeder that breeds for a specific breed and/or trait within a breed. A reputable breeder won't breed multiple breeds at the same time, these are general signs that the person is milling puppies, espeically if they have puppies available year round, when the norm is having a litter only once or twice a year depending on the number of bitches and males that are availalbe at stud to breed.

Those that seek just a pet and have no desire to breed whatsoever (after much research into a proper breeding program, people usually loose steam for it after a while or at least after the first litter when they realize how much must really go into each litter just to break even).

Sorry to rant and Im off my soapbox now....
 
Many shelters are becoming no-kill, and I hope eventually all will be. I'm totally fine with the spay/neuter concept at shelters because we DO NEED to minimize the animal population. While I adore puppies and especially kittens, all my girls are spayed. Too many are put down as it is. :(

Has anyone ever gone to Best Friends out in Utah? They are a no-kill facility - I wouldn't call it a shelter - where special needs pets that may or may not be adoptable come to live. It's a truly wonderful place.
 
i used to work at animal shelter it really sad me to see all the sad dogs and cats in the cages sighs they wanted out and have good homes
i wish i would take them all home but i wouldn't because i already had some pets that i adpoted from the shelter.

i hoping breeders will aware of that that they will spray or neutered no matter what.
 
Many shelters are becoming no-kill, and I hope eventually all will be. I'm totally fine with the spay/neuter concept at shelters because we DO NEED to minimize the animal population. While I adore puppies and especially kittens, all my girls are spayed. Too many are put down as it is. :(

Has anyone ever gone to Best Friends out in Utah? They are a no-kill facility - I wouldn't call it a shelter - where special needs pets that may or may not be adoptable come to live. It's a truly wonderful place.

it is still difficult to run no-kill shelters because they rely heavily on donations and their own incomes. Most no-kill shelters are privately-owned so in this time of shitty economy.... it's rough. that's why they transport dogs around network of shelters when that dogs haven't been adopted for a while. I used to volunteer to drive them around from state to state. tiring but worth it. At that time - I had to stop doing it because of outrageous gas price..... those damn $4-5/gallon
 
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As for the California laws - If your'e not in the breeding buisness, you need to have your pet spayed/neutered. If your dog is a guidedog then you need them desexed, all to often Ive heard of the clients letting their guidedog mingle with another intact dog and they end up with a litter. This puts undue strain on the guidedog, the pups, the shelter that now must find homes for the puppies once they are weaned, the guide dog program that must make a decision on whether or not the dog can continue in the program and they have to find a new placement for the guidedog. Guidedogs don't need their testicles and ovaries to perform their job duties, plus it removes the chance of 'accidental breeding' due to a lack of proper supervision.

I agree. In England guide dogs are desexed automatically. I think this sounds like a good law to have.
 
it is still difficult to run no-kill shelters because they rely heavily on donations and their own incomes. Most no-kill shelters are privately-owned so in this time of shitty economy.... it's rough. that's why they transport dogs around network of shelters when that dogs haven't been adopted for a while. I used to volunteer to drive them around from state to state. tiring but worth it. At that time - I had to stop doing it because of outrageous gas price..... those damn $4-5/gallon

Yes, back in Minnesota when I still used to visit animal shelters, they weren't even no-kill shelters, and I still saw many pets there that have been transported from a different shelters even from two or three counties away. I see it on the information cards that are on their cages where they state the reason the pet are there and it says "transported from *county name* animal shelter and then adds the original reason the pet was surrendered. I don't visit animal shelters here in Texas because the situation here is so sad that I don't think I could handle it if I saw how many animals have been euthanized each day, and how badly some of the shelters here are run. One of them is constantly on the news because it is very poorly run and another is on the news for constantly euthanizing animals even when there are still enough space (they don't just euthanize the number of pets necessarily to maintain space, but they euthanize many more than necessary without a good reason such as illness or whatever, many perfectly good pets are often put to sleep even if there are a few empty cages already there). Since they are on the news so much, I had to decide not to visit the animal shelters here to protect my own sanity as I don't think I can handle it.
 
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