CAFTA!!!! Democrats are griping about it!

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YooHoo!!! REMEMBER WHY SIGNED NAFTA YOU LIBERALS? I KNEW JUST HOW HIPPOCRITES YOU REALLY ARE!!! When Bill Clinton voiced his opinons about NAFTA! NOT ONE LEFT WINGED LIBERAL BASHED MR CLINTON!!!NOT ONE! Its all about the republicans in office why democrats lashing out like ted kennedy barbra boxer and nancy pelosi.You see democrats just cant stand it when republicans are in charge.Just like Liberals will bash mr bush about war in iraq, But What about when Bill Clinton Attacked KOSOVO & BOSINA? Not oneb liberal bashed bill clinton NOT ONE! .How does it feel being a minority? Ill give you an example. Lets say you worked hard for a job promotion and you stayed in your job for 15 years and all the sudden they gave it to a woman whos been there for 10 years Now you would be outraged now would you? Thats how ted kennedy barbra boxer and nancy pelosi feel.Cause theres not a democrat in the white house to stand up to them.
CAFTA
 
Sigh. You know whats really annoying? People, either liberal or conservative who seem to think that their party has a monopoly on virtue and that the other party is hypocritical and underhanded. You think conservatives are never hypocrites? Give me a break! You think the conservatives aren't the same way when they're not in power - pissed off and always disagreeing with them. Give me a break? Anyone who thinks one party does these things and the other does not, whether liberal or conservative, needs to have a reality check.
 
Republicans didnt fillabuster clintons choices on federal judges. Republicans didnt bash mr clinton on his reasons for attacking KOSOVO or BOSINA.Nor they didnt bash him on attacking somalia. And republicans went along with democrats on NAFTA.Remember the unions threaten to vote out the politicans if they voted for NAFTA? Well how come clinton got re-elected in 96? You see unions dont really have any desire to stick up for the little guy.All they care about is LIBERALISM!
 
ravensteve1961 said:
Republicans didnt fillabuster clintons choices on federal judges.
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Of course they didn't...because they controlled the senate....so they simply denied them hearings in the Senate Judiciary Committee. And actually, during the time that they didn't control the senate, they attempted to fillibuster H. Lee Sarokin in 1994.

ravensteve1961 said:
Republicans didnt bash mr clinton on his reasons for attacking KOSOVO or BOSINA.Nor they didnt bash him on attacking somalia.
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Again, not correct. They did bash Clinton for Kosovo and Bosnia:

""President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."

-Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it."

-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99

"You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo."

-Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"This is President Clinton's war, and when he falls flat on his face, that's his problem."

-Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)

"My job as majority leader is be supportive of our troops, try to have input as decisions are made and to look at those decisions after they're made ... not to march in lock step with everything the president decides to do."

-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"Clinton's bombing campaign has caused all of these problems to explode"

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"This has been an unmitigated disaster ... Ask the Chinese embassy. Ask all the people in Belgrade that we've killed. Ask the refugees that we've killed. Ask the people in nursing homes. Ask the people in hospitals."

-Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"

-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

“I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning…I didn’t think we had done enough in the diplomatic area.”
-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

And I can certainly find more.
 
Athena said:
Of course they didn't...because they controlled the senate....so they simply denied them hearings in the Senate Judiciary Committee. And actually, during the time that they didn't control the senate, they attempted to fillibuster H. Lee Sarokin in 1994.
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Im talking about clintons first term as president. He got the judges he wanted and the democrats had control of the senate in 93 & 94 republicans didnt get sworn in til 95. And they didnt fillabuster.
 
Ok, first of all, yes they did, as I just gave an example of. And second of all, in Clinton's second term, look at what they did! They wouldn't even let his nominees get to comittee! So, yes, they did something hyporcritical, too. You can't just say Republicans never did anything, and then switch what you said and claim you wer only talking about a very specific window in time, thats essentially a switch-and-bait argument. Even if you were right about the first term, they still did something hypocritical in the second term...so republicans can be hypocrits, too. BOTH parties can. And if you can't admit that, thats sad.
 
Thats legal.When youre in majority you can vote out judges nomanees.But when youre in the minority you just accept what the majority says.Ever hear the old saying majority rule?
 
Sigh. Yes, it is legal. Thats not the point. The point is that Republicans did not blindly accept their president's judicial nominees either. As for the minority just accepting what the majority says....that is not what this country was founded on. The constitution was specifically set up to guard against what Madison referred to as the "tyranny of the majority," which the founders feared as much as they did the tyranny of a ruler like a king. And the senate was certainly not intended for the majority to simply get their way all the time, it was intended to be a deliberate body.
 
Dear Mr. ravensteve1961,

What is the big deal for you if you always complain about Bill Clinton? He is not our current leader. However, he may be nominated as a United Nation Secretary-General soon. He surely loves to work for the public. What will Dubya do after his second term? He will be working for any oil companies in order to earn the big bonuses on board of directors. Methinks that he will be much wealthier than Bill Clinton.

I am very concerned about my elder family that their Social Security benefits may be reduces or cut since they may continue to live to 90s. That's why President Bush loves to reduce the federal tax and hopes that his majority right wingers pass the new private investments which mean that any financial (investment) institutions would earn lots of profit off the individual's account. I wonder if person who would die and they would keep their account instead of putting fund to any sibling or lost the will.

Ah, back to the point. I am not surprised that whole Congress does not have choice but to support the CAFTA or U.S. American may not afford to purchase any imported because of heavy tariff cost. Keep in mind that Bush truly loves Hispanic people more than white Americans because of cheap labor.

I bet you love to purchase Nike shoes but you don’t care about poor shoemakers in third world countries with low wage….
 
But the thing is liberals will never gripe on their own no matter what he does. Just like the unions said"" Vote against NAFTA were stand right behind you,,Vote for NATFA WE WILL RUN YOUR FAT ASSES RIGHT OUT OF OFFICE!!! """ Well Fat Ass bill clinton signed NAFTA and was re-elected.And not one democrat griped against him!.But Oh yeah republicans introduced CAFTA and democrats are griping about it.
 
Athena said:
Sigh. You know whats really annoying? People, either liberal or conservative who seem to think that their party has a monopoly on virtue and that the other party is hypocritical and underhanded. You think conservatives are never hypocrites? Give me a break! You think the conservatives aren't the same way when they're not in power - pissed off and always disagreeing with them. Give me a break? Anyone who thinks one party does these things and the other does not, whether liberal or conservative, needs to have a reality check.
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Several dozen Republicans, many of whom face hostility toward free trade in their districts, also are refusing to or are reluctant to cast pro-CAFTA votes
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Mr. Ravensteven1961,

Bring it on....
 
I'll post some thoughts on this tomorrow, but RS, have you considered getting a blog?
 
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