Boy, 12, Sticks Gum on $1.5M Painting

[EDGE]

interest about blame issues.

Parents don't need their kid to be more strict and obey anything.

But teacher is responbile who bring kids around and make sure every child listen what teacher been told... "no gum, no horse around, blah blah"

If the teacher didn't tell what students suppose do, then it might be teacher's fault. Hmm?

Maybe Art Museum didn't put sign that said so.

Once time, when I was college student and went to art museum, when I was bore and lean on the blank wall. One of staff told me, please dont lean on the wall. So, I got away from the wall. That was embarrass and didn't know because I haven't been in art museum for a long time. haha.

 

[Angel]

^ got a good point here, I mean why didn't the teacher make sure the students didn't have gum or food in their mouth before entering the museum

It the same thing not allowing to have gum in their mouth during class, so what the difference?...

Art Museum didn't put sign that said so.

I wonder if the museum has a sign posted about gum, food, drinks not permit

 

[Liebling:-)))]

^ got a good point here, I mean why didn't the teacher make sure the students didn't have gum or food in their mouth before entering the museum

It the same thing not allowing to have gum in their mouth during class, so what the difference?...




I wonder if the museum has a sign posted about gum, food, drinks not permit

Good Point... but the link didn´t says much... I hope it will be update then we will know more.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm sure we all did some silly things when we were younger,

Sure, but this issue is not silly things but serious...

I'm sure the 12 years old boy didn't know the painting was worth alot more, beside,

It make no difference either he know or not but he should know how to respect the rules. He must have known that chewing gum on the picture, wall or floor is not acceptance.

12 years old know how to respect every property owner´s rule... Example, the owner had restricted that they should not go in their property because they have watch dogs.

I look at my 12 and 9 years old sons... Oh dear, I say to myself because they know how value things are and respect it. My both boys said when I told him about this issues during evening snack few hours ago.

I'm sure he learn his lesson,

I would understand if it´s accident thru careless, he made but I can say that it´s not accident but out of purpose.

and I do think the museum needs some sort of protection on things that are worth of alot of money afterall, the museum knows that there's going to be children from school coming to visit as a field trip

Well I was raised by strict discplinie by boarding school to know that I should not touch things when we went to museum, etc. We went to mueseum a lot and show our respect on value items they have.

We took our children to muesum alot... They know how to respect/obey their rules...

My children´s teacher asked us for signuature to agree to let them go muesum with them during trip. We signed because we trust our children´s maturity to visit muesum. We already make sure with them before they leave...

, and accidents do happen,

Look at Tamara´s prevous post about her friend´s 3 years old daughter... I can tell that it´s accident but 12 years old? It´s not accident but out of purpose to boost his ego...

you can't expect every child to know the value of each items at the museum,

Yes I expect every child to know what right or wrong... Its about respect, the children should learn... The parents are supposing to teach their children how to take the responsibly and respect. They should know that museum are not playground.

I'm not trying to makes excuses here but it's the same way as the collections that you and I may have in our homes, sometimes we have to have something to protect those collections that are worth alot of money, cause kids intend to run around the house or throw balls even they know that it's wrong to do, I'm sure the 12 years old boy didn't relized he damage a million dollar worth of art picture, but now he knows what he did was wrong, and the next time he visit the museum he will know not to mess with any items there....

I see opposite as you...

I have value items, and collections, pictures in my house... I don´t protect them from my children but show them to respect our values and know that they are not toys. My children would never learn if I protect my value things from them and it will make my children think we have no trust on them.. I would not do that...

That´s why my children learn to not touch or play anything when they are in museum because they learn from us in house to not touch or play with value things... I have 3 giant dolls on the floor of living room... I have few big vases and porellans on the window sills... to match green plants... My boys know they are not toys and if they want play then go outside or their bedroom or basement etc.

Afterall, we made many mistakes when we are younger, even we knows whats right and wrong, it's all about growing up and learn by those mistakes...

Yes...

 

[jazzy]

I am sure school has its own rules, no gums allow at school or on field trip, so how does this boy got away with it?

12 years old is old enough to know the difference between the right or wrong. Other day I was driving PO vehicle and there were two 12 years old boys walking in the middle of the street ingore me. It showed they don't care or irresponsible on their own behavior. This boy may show no different from those two boys.


He needs to be punish for this to prevent himself from getting in more trouble in future.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I am sure school has its own rules, no gums allow at school or on field trip, so how does this boy got away with it?

12 years old is old enough to know the difference between the right or wrong. Other day I was driving PO vehicle and there were two 12 years old boys walking in the middle of the street ingore me. It showed they don't care or irresponsible on their own behavior. This boy may show no different from those two boys.


He needs to be punish for this to prevent himself from getting in more trouble in future.

it shows that a boy disrespect the rules what school, museum etc set. Everyone knows it´s wrong...

Oh yes, accord German traffic law: We are not allow to walk cross when the red "stop" light shown... If police sees us then we will pay penatly fine for ignore red light... We stand and wait until green "go" light show then we walk cross to other street... Thats´how my boys were raised to respect the traffic... they stand and wait until the green light then walk cross to other street... I remember my British friends was here in Germany... they were about cross the road where the red light shown... I pulled them back to path and wait until green light shown... My friends were like :Oops: when the Germans stared them unfriendly impression because they don´t like their children take bad example when the people walk cross over the road to ignore red light.

 

[jazzy]

it shows that a boy disrespect the rules what school, museum etc set. Everyone knows it´s wrong...

Oh yes, accord German traffic law: We are not allow to walk cross when the red "stop" light shown... If police sees us then we will pay penatly fine for ignore red light... We stand and wait until green "go" light show then we walk cross to other street... Thats´how my boys were raised to respect the traffic... they stand and wait until the green light then walk cross to other street... I remember my British friends was here in Germany... they were about cross the road where the red light shown... I pulled them back to path and wait until green light shown... My friends were like :Oops: when the Germans stared them unfriendly impression because they don´t like their children take bad example when the people walk cross over the road to ignore red light.

it goes same here, it calls jaywalk but this is neighborhood they walked home from school bus alike they knew I was behind them and alike they knew they block my way to the nearest mailbox alike they don't care. Other people would move away from me and respect. GRRR them young boys, not all but sometime they are pain in the neck.

 

[GalaxyAngel]

Well.

He must be the secret son of Mr Bean (Rowan Atkinson)!!!!!!!!

Umm, back to topic,

In shops around here I often see a playcard/slogan "Nice to touch, if YOU break, consider its sold"


I agreed.

Friend of mine's 3 years old daughter broken the fish tank at the pet shop, yes the fish tank was display lower shelf, at the pet shop. She paid it in full two weeks before christmas .

It would be difficult and costly to higher the items/ornaments out of reach from the children!!

you touch it... ~ yes, you're win the bid stuck bubble gum laid on the painting frame.. You're SOLD!
:hitit:

Yea.. extactly Mr Bean is out his secret because his son is trouble!

 

[Rose Immortal]

I think at 12, you are old enough to know better, and this kid needs to be taught a lesson in responsibility.

Still, I would not necessarily have him pay a fine of THAT amount--there are other ways.. If a court could arrange for him to do service hours, then perhaps he should have to serve as a janitor at the museum for a certain number of hours. He can sweep the floor, take out trash, do things like that; he should have some kind of responsibility in keeping that art gallery clean. In doing that, he'll get to see all of the other (smaller) disrespectful things that people do, and the work it causes for the staff. I think that would drive the point home.

 

[Angel]

I respect your view on this Liebling, but I see it differently, sure a 12 years old boy knows between right and wrong, but still some kids intend to breaks that rules, believe me I have, I aren't no perfect child when I was growing up, so I m sure he learn his lesson, and beside he got punished for it....


Let me ask you a question if you were 12 years old, have you ever did something when you knew it was wrong?....I might have kick a ball in the house when I knew it was wrong, and end up breaking something in the house maybe worth over 4 hundred dollars who knows but the bottom line is every child no matter how old they are, no kids intend to do the right thing all the time....And no matter how many times we tell our kids not to do this or that, but still they dont follow them, only way they have to learn it accept the punishment hopefully they will not do it again....then life goes on, and hopefully they learn something out of this....

 

[MsGiglz]

I must say this.. kids shouldnt gone to Art Musesum if it cost ALOT of money..

OR OR

Why do they complained? what are they expecting from kids or people .. that they can do ANYTHING to it.. put glass over it.. but.. thye have insurance..

(scoffs)


pffth.. that is bull crap..

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I respect your view on this Liebling, but I see it differently, sure a 12 years old boy knows between right and wrong, but still some kids intend to breaks that rules, believe me I have, I aren't no perfect child when I was growing up, so I m sure he learn his lesson, and beside he got punished for it....

Let me ask you a question if you were 12 years old, have you ever did something when you knew it was wrong?....I might have kick a ball in the house when I knew it was wrong, and end up breaking something in the house maybe worth over 4 hundred dollars who knows but the bottom line is every child no matter how old they are, no kids intend to do the right thing all the time....And no matter how many times we tell our kids not to do this or that, but still they dont follow them, only way they have to learn it accept the punishment hopefully they will not do it again....then life goes on, and hopefully they learn something out of this....

Yes, I´m agree that kids are no but I see what a boy did is too far than most kids break the rules and also use their curiously, too.

Yes I was also not child, too but I never do in my life like what 12 years old boy did with pictures in museum, house, or whatever... *goose bumps*... I know most kids have accidents to damage the windows, light etc thru play ball, etc which normal but chewing gum on the picture... ? That´s why I think what a boy did is disrespectful. Yes I´m agree that he deserve his punishment.

Doofusmama´s post
Why do they complained? what are they expecting from kids or people .. that they can do ANYTHING to it.. put glass over it.. but.. thye have insurance..

Good Point... I´m agree that every have insurance to cover the damage items but the boy still deserve his punishment because what he did is not acceptance.

I wish those link will say more...

 

[Angel]

Yes, I´m agree that kids are no but I see what a boy did is too far than most kids break the rules and also use their curiously, too.

All he did was put a piece of gum on the art picture and didn't relized it would cost more than what his parents earn, it's not like he went in the museum and start shooting people, that would be going too far

 

[Angel]

I must say this.. kids shouldnt gone to Art Musesum if it cost ALOT of money..

OR OR

Why do they complained? what are they expecting from kids or people .. that they can do ANYTHING to it.. put glass over it.. but.. thye have insurance..

(scoffs)


pffth.. that is bull crap..

Exactly, I mean the museum is open to public, and there are so many things in there that worth alot more money, yet they don't have anything to protect those items in case anything happen.....and now they're complaining over a boy who put a piece of gum on a 1.5 million dollars worth of art picture ....


What happens if a person end up with a heart attack, and end up falling on something that worth more than a million dollars, are they going to ask her to pay for it?....


:shaking my head:

 

[Tousi]

RIGHT or WRONG, I think the museum should have provided more care surrounding something that is valued at a million bucks and not rely on ALL parents having knowledgeable, caring, responsible 12 yr olds--that's just inevitably inviting the disaster that occured there.

 

[Angel]

RIGHT or WRONG, I think the museum should have provided more care surrounding something that is valued at a million bucks and not rely on ALL parents having knowledgeable, caring, responsible 12 yr olds--that's just inevitably inviting the disaster that occured there.

Well said there Tousi!!

 

[IslandGal]

I must say this.. kids shouldnt gone to Art Musesum if it cost ALOT of money..

OR OR

Why do they complained? what are they expecting from kids or people .. that they can do ANYTHING to it.. put glass over it.. but.. thye have insurance..

(scoffs)


pffth.. that is bull crap..

Not all kids are angels and they, at the Art Museum, should knew that without any protections around that painting there is a risk that a kid could mess up the painting.

:roll: @ the Art Museum. Their loss and their fault.

 

[Tousi]

.....and the art-loving public, collectors, etc's loss....

 

[IslandGal]

.....and the art-loving public, collectors, etc's loss....

*nods agreement*

And them too.

 

[Rose Immortal]

Not all kids are angels and they, at the Art Museum, should knew that without any protections around that painting there is a risk that a kid could mess up the painting.

:roll: @ the Art Museum. Their loss and their fault.

Frankly, I think museum was RIGHT to expect that children should be supervised by either parents, teachers or guides at the museum.

As I said earlier, I don't think asking the kid's family to pay that money is necesarily the right way, though. See above in the thread for my solution...