Billy (4) is deaf 'due to implants policy'

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A FOUR-year-old boy doesn't understand that he can no longer hear his parents or play-school friends because his cochlear implant failed.
His mother says that, if the Government had automatically put the hearing aids into both ears, her son would still be able to hear and would not be acting out his anger and frustration.

"He was so happy with the world and now he is angry. He has begun kicking out at people and grinding his teeth," said his mother, Deanna Cairns, at their Dundalk home yesterday.

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"Billy is pointing to his Mickey Mouse dancing toy that he got off his granny and grandad Cairns for Christmas. Billy is pointing to the toy and pointing to his ear because he knows he should be able to hear it."

Billy had his implant replaced two weeks ago and is meant to wait another two to three weeks before it is turned on. This is to allow time to heal after the surgery, but Deanna is bringing him back to doctors in Beaumont Hospital on Tuesday to see if they will turn it on early.

"The implant is a piece of technology and we accept that technology can break. The thing is, if he had had the second implant, he would not have this setback and would be able to hear in the other ear. Instead his world has been turned upside down," Ms Cairns said.

Lorraine Murphy, who worked with Deanna to promote the 'Happy New Ear' campaign to have policy changed so that bilateral implants are the norm, is now dealing with her three-year-old daughter not being able to hear.

"Anna's implant has failed and she will have surgery next week to replace it. She cannot hear at the minute and is traumatised and in a matter of days we have seen her confidence shoot down.

"She gets upset and I can't leave the room without her coming. She is pointing to her head and saying where is it and I am telling her, in sign language, that her implant is broken. This could have been avoided if both implants had bee put in," said Ms Murphy.

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She says studies show implants in both ears are best for children, but in Ireland they have only ever done one.

"Anna did not hear until two days before her second birthday which was when the implant was turned on. She doesn't know it will be five weeks until she is over her operation and is able to hear again. If they had listened to us and done implants in both ears, we would not be going through this."

Lorraine, who lives in Mullingar, and her family are grateful to an adult who has been waiting three years for his implant and who gave up his place on the waiting list so Anna could get hers.

"We don't know who they are but we have to say a big thank you. It was very emotional to be told they had stood aside."

hnews@herald.ie
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Billy (4) is deaf 'due to implants policy' - Herald.ie
 
Oh MY GAWD.............Why not just teach Billy ISL, so he can function both WITH and without the CIs?!??!?!?!?
 
Even with implants, deaf children end up with the emotional trauma because of the VIEW society puts on them. It is NOT because of the implants...it is because of the attitude and view towards deafness as being a bad thing. Geez!
 
shel90 said:
Even with implants, deaf children end up with the emotional trauma because of the VIEW society puts on them. It is NOT because of the implants...it is because of the attitude and view towards deafness as being a bad thing. Geez!
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and also the attitude that HOH kids are somehow more hearing then deaf!
They aren't. They are going thrugh the exact same thing those of us who are audilogically HOH have goen through for decades.
 
Looks like the irish kids know they want to hear. Being deaf sucks, takes a while to get used to it. Being 4 and 3 years old means they only know what was good ad is now bad. They are too young to react to society inputs.
 
deafbirk said:
Looks like the irish kids know they want to hear. Being deaf sucks, takes a while to get used to it. Being 4 and 3 years old means they only know what was good ad is now bad. They are too young to react to society inputs.
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It is the parents' messages that is being conveyed to them. Why is being deaf considered a bad thing? Where did they get the idea from?
 
shel90 said:
It is the parents' messages that is being conveyed to them. Why is being deaf considered a bad thing? Where did they get the idea from?
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yeah, the kids are picking up on what the parents are thinking/want.
 
shel90 said:
Even with implants, deaf children end up with the emotional trauma because of the VIEW society puts on them. It is NOT because of the implants...it is because of the attitude and view towards deafness as being a bad thing. Geez!
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can you explain why it is NOT the implants?? like it comes across as meaning to say...do implant "reduce" truama? or does it make is worse??
explain your view on this please...
 
Grummer said:
can you explain why it is NOT the implants?? like it comes across as meaning to say...do implant "reduce" truama? or does it make is worse??
explain your view on this please...
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It is because most of society think implants make deaf children have perfect hearing and then expect the children to meet their standards but when they don't...who gets the blame? The children themselves. I have seen that same attitude with deaf children who have good speech skills.."if they can speak so well, then they cant be that deaf."
 
shel90 said:
It is because most of society think implants make deaf children have perfect hearing and then expect the children to meet their standards but when they don't...who gets the blame? The children themselves. I have seen that same attitude with deaf children who have good speech skills.."if they can speak so well, then they cant be that deaf."
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Agreed.... They're functionally HOH, and besides, they don't hear like hearing people.
 
...so you dont think its the implants that causing more trouble?
 
I experience cochlear implant.:) trust me.. people didn't successfully on people fail implant cochlear implant, impossible failure on implant, I spoken to doctor I didn't successfully implant It is not successfully. I want to remove implant. 4 yrs ago long time Doctor said accept surgery can do remove implant on my implant reason otherwise, serious I had tried oral on over and over. teacher force me encourage to me I disbelieve to teacher mainstream school it is not true cochlear implant mess on school. odd it I found it out deaf community, I suspect investiage it community Ag Bell And Public School and Catholic School it is reason serious public
I am numberous shocked. I was unpleasure to disagree to people too many lying to uncover not truth very serious. I am scary fear reason odd people mess on destory dsytunstional ruin plus on sytesm on school and mess my body., I transfer to school Catholic is school is very protect successfully I don't trust to public school oral mess conflict.. serious Teacher pursude me I resist to cochlear implant but reason tried force teacher, then teacher said you now please on cochlear implant, wearing everyday period. it is strictly . teacher convince to people deaf/hoh will ruin to feeling upset to parents . I final it is it is happened It is risk. your information be careful

my dad is very knew and I figure out analyzed cochlear implant, my gramma is you are deaf smart and you can do it best successfully best effort, no matter you respect to your own happy. people happy fun it is simply. happy straight to clear to happy ASL enjoy of course you can do it... understand many people have problem lots of show up serious. I surprised on my gramma
It is very sadly on very breakheart it lots of destory on feeling I accept to deaf, I don't need to implant second, otherwise I recommend advise new hearing aid safe. reason high insecure reason I aware cochlear implant is very dangerous is risk your information
 
deafdyke said:
yeah, the kids are picking up on what the parents are thinking/want.
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yeah , happened to me, really strange life that i as a child, it was like the unexplained on why or how i picked that up, but going to the deaf unit was a small child in another town everyday wasn't much fun, all that headphones and speech training all day...and the scary part is, none of us (kids at the time) really knew what, but we knew we werent good to talk, that bit i dont know or was too young to react with comprehension...we just followed it through. years and years and STILL years i play catch up, or play 'shit what happened' with out even realising it
 
I understand from Sunnybrook/Toronto some DEAF persons don't benefit from a Cochlear Implant. Their statistics since 1984-3000 persons were evaluated for consideration of Implantation. 2000 were unsuitable-variety of reasons. Thus the balance of 1000 were. aside: i was one of the thousand. 18 didn't benefit. The real world-factual information. From a patients meeting at Sunnybrook/Toronto a couple of years ago.

To be considered- one is unable to benefit from the use of Hearing aid.Thus it seems Cochlear Implants as such has nothing to do with the "causing of the condition of deafness" which is- hearing nothing/silence! Excludes-jet planes-reason most persons don't "usually speak that loud".

Of course one MAY benefit from a Cochlear Implant and will still -remain DEAF. Easy to determine-disconnect one's Cochlear Implant.

The above excludes discussion in Sociology-"Deaf culture".

aside: the author has been bilateral DEAF since December 20, 2006. Also,I have NOT studied to be an ENT doctor to understand my ears or genetics- which I know my father "passed on to me- a long time ago". Google "University" wasn't around when I was much younger!
 
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Hearing people assumed that the Hard Of Hearing and the d/Deaf can hear and pick up with hearing aids and also thought that they can lipread very well. Not true. I told my sister-in-law that this is the reason why I need ASL because it is visual. Hearing aids and/or CIs are just tools for us to hear environment sounds, not pick up words in order to listen. Pffft.

Hearing society does not know what it is like to be deaf or hard of hearing. We have tried to educate them many times and they are not convinced of that. That is really frustrating trying to explain to them. Geeze :(
 
As I understand =a Hearing aid/or Cochlear Implant does pick up speech which is more than environmental sound.This leads to question: why would anyone invest in a Hearing aid or Cochlear Implant just pick up "noisy sound" and not speech?

As for the utility of ASL et al is contingent of the number of hearing persons who one knows/use it that a DEAF person within that actual social configuration- interacts with. Seems hard to sign to one's self.

Aside: I didn't get a Hearing over 50 years ago just to hear "environment sound" and not hear speech/music etc. Again I am still bilateral DEAF since December 20, 2006 and do use a Cochlear Implant since August 8, 2007-almost 6 years now.

I also believe my actual experience is NOT usual

More discussion-Sociology "deaf culture"
 
drphil said:
As I understand =a Hearing aid/or Cochlear Implant does pick up speech which is more than environmental sound.This leads to question: why would anyone invest in a Hearing aid or Cochlear Implant just pick up "noisy sound" and not speech?

As for the utility of ASL et al is contingent of the number of hearing persons who one knows/use it that a DEAF person within that actual social configuration- interacts with. Seems hard to sign to one's self.

Aside: I didn't get a Hearing over 50 years ago just to hear "environment sound" and not hear speech/music etc. Again I am still bilateral DEAF since December 20, 2006 and do use a Cochlear Implant since August 8, 2007-almost 6 years now.

I also believe my actual experience is NOT usual

More discussion-Sociology "deaf culture"
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in bold, that is exaclty what Deaf people already knows about and rkghtfully concerned with the extreme pushing of cochlear implant, because if the dangers of cultural genocide that would not only endanger the sign culture but also the severe impact of extreme isolation. MOST cochlear implant users DONT hear the same as hearing people - ever!...too noisy and too weird...its own merit is that, its only got for hearing people who have LOST their hearing and have been exposed naturally to sounds and spoken languages, for that they can register with it. As for others its just a lot of work which amounts to nothing more than oralism flashbacks from the 60-70-80s...sheer cruelity.

moreso, that "Seems hard to sign to one's self." comes across and a smartarse veiled sarcasm, hit back to the 'dying deaf culture',,,i dont think thats called for, BUT what you said, does highlights clearly at that - its EXACTLY what Cochlear Implants proponent wants to achieve, they want to ,that is advertising hearing culture, but really for what, bloody hard work, and STILL more isolation...sorry its true , but I dont 'buy it' that "Seems hard to sign to one's self" comment. Like try askig, Deaf people whats the problem of not finding who to sign with? they'd tell you nonsense!...But...somewhere in the middle, forced CI, and those failing school (not fault of their own), are goig to get quite miserable (dont blame them!) and they are going to get even more fucking angry because they cant find anyone to talk with (in sign)...However, i blieve this comment of yours warrents more investigation, an interesting remark, all the same time, the 2 warring camps are hitting right in the middle, 'that ***Seems hard to sign to one's self.*** ,like while we will say its a problem of isolation, but to perceifve how to go about it are explained vastly different!!!
just food for thoughts.
 
Yeah. Nowadays, hearing parents rather just "fix" their deaf children than to make an extra effort to communicate through other means. Also, children are not as understanding and as patient as adults. So, give them something really good... and when it breaks, they're going to go nuts.
 
I am aware that SOME deaf/Deaf persons "believe that Cochlear Implants are instruments of genocide to the "Deaf community". Duly stated in the book; a journey into the DEAFWORLD= Harlane Lane et all. Back in the 90s.

How many TODAY actually believe this unknown. Probably a regression to the "steamboat era" of a hundred years ago. Probably "ties in" to being "voice off". Discussed here in AllDeaf.com.

Getting a Cochlear Implant was my idea and being an adult I can make the choice to be considered. Which I did. Fortunately- successful-so far.
aside: I knew i would be become bilateral DEAF for almost 15 years= after the lost in my Right ear. Right-genetic!

Aside: I don't view my Implant is such a manner. The use of technology. Further I am bilateral DEAF even if the "deaf Militants" disagree! I have said many time-real QUIET when I disconnect my Cochlear Implant which will never change in my life time.

More discussion in Sociology-"deaf culture".
 
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