Bi-CROS Hearing Aids?

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I've been reading about them & I thought they might be a good idea (if they are still even used today). I have moderate loss in my right & a severe loss in my left. I can hear ok in my right, but in my left I can hear nothing & it's really hard to have conversations when I'm sitting at a table I never hear what people to left of me are saying, it's so frustrating. So does anyone have any advice, comments, or feedback? It would be greatly appreciated.
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Maybe look at the Transear? Honestly, we almost never fit Bi-CROS aids at our clinic because so many people who get them, end up hating them.

TransEar® for Single-Sided Deafness

If you are going to look at Bi-CROS, look at the wireless -- people seem to hate it less.

Sheri
 
Without specifics, it's hard to tell. But a severe loss is usually aidable, so you'd probably get better results from a hearing aid (probably a power BTE) in your worse ear as well as your better one.
 
Without specifics, it's hard to tell. But a severe loss is usually aidable, so you'd probably get better results from a hearing aid (probably a power BTE) in your worse ear as well as your better one.

I'll look into that thanks.
 
Because with the traditional Bi-CROS, you need to wear a mold in your good ear as well. This is a major problem for most people.

Sheri

I already wear hearing aids in both ears though, so I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be a problem.
 
I've just googled it and this is what I found here and it backs up what LTHFAdvocate says.

Here's what I found:
2. Bicross --aid on one side "pipes" sound to other side, where hearing is better. Most hearing aid users are unenthusiastic about Bicross aids.
 
I've just googled it and this is what I found here and it backs up what LTHFAdvocate says.

Here's what I found:
2. Bicross --aid on one side "pipes" sound to other side, where hearing is better. Most hearing aid users are unenthusiastic about Bicross aids.

Oh ok, it seems that the Bicros aren't all that great. I guess I'll have to look into a different solution.
 
There really aren't a lot of good solutions for people in your situation that I am aware of. You don't qualify for a CI. BiCros is really for people with normal hearing on one side and bad hearing on the other, and BAHAs won't work for you if all your loss on both sides is sensorineural You may want to look into a device called the Vibrant Soundbridge (also known as a VORP) which is a middle ear implantable hearing device.

VIBRANT - MED-EL

There is another device that cochlear is working on called the DACS (Direct Acoustic Cochlear Stimulator) , but I think that is only currently available in Europe

Sorry :(

Sheri
Oh ok, it seems that the Bicros aren't all that great. I guess I'll have to look into a different solution.
 
There really aren't a lot of good solutions for people in your situation that I am aware of. You don't qualify for a CI. BiCros is really for people with normal hearing on one side and bad hearing on the other, and BAHAs won't work for you if all your loss on both sides is sensorineural You may want to look into a device called the Vibrant Soundbridge (also known as a VORP) which is a middle ear implantable hearing device.

VIBRANT - MED-EL

There is another device that cochlear is working on called the DACS (Direct Acoustic Cochlear Stimulator) , but I think that is only currently available in Europe

Sorry :(

Sheri

Thank you for all the help & info.
I'll check out the Vibrant Soundbridge, but I really don't want to have to get anything that extreme.
I guess I'll just stick with regular HA
=)
 
Just a little misinformation here. BiCros (Bilateral contra-lateral routing of signal) aids are used typically used when someone has hearing loss in BOTH ears, one ear being significantly worse than the other. Cros aids are the ones fit on those who have normal hearing in one ear and a loss in the other ear. THOSE are typically the ones people hate because it involves putting a "Hearing aid" type device in their good ear. The poor ear wears the aid that transmits sound to the better ear, to give you an improved ability to localize were sound is coming from. It is a specialty aid that most adults don't take a liking to . If I fit you as a kid with a BiCros aid, you'd wear that style all your life and you'd love it. Adults or older kids are a bit more finicky and don't perceive the benefits. The same holds true with transpositional hearing aids. Overall BiCros are more accepted than Cros, but neither are favorites among adults.
 
I love my BiCros

As the gentleman before me just wrote, a BiCros is diffrent than a simple Cros. I have been wearing hearing aids for 42 years and a BiCros unit for almost 30 years. Telex brand was the only wireless one available when I was first fit in the early 80's.

Sure, it's no fun to have to wear two BTEs, but the benefits far outweigh the comfort or cosmetic complaints. First of all, if I just wear a single aid in my left ear-profound loss- and not in my right-totally deaf- then it is natural for people to talk into, or direct sound towards, my right ear thinking that it must be my "good" one. That is a major problem for anyone like me.

Secondly, there is a serious accident risk if I just amplify sound on my left side. As an example, try walking safely in a crowded parking lot when you have no ability to hear sounds to your right but hear sounds on your left too loudly.

Next, don't ever get into the middle of a three person, or more, conversation without a BiCros as you will either have to ignore what is being said from one side or you will develop neck pains from constantly whipping your head around to put your best ear towards the speaker.

Bottom line for me is that I could not imagine how I would have survived all of these years without a BioCros. I am a corporate management trainer which requires me to be able to function at a high listening level in classrooms and tough acoustical settings. The BiCros saved my career when the bilateral Menieres hit me.

I am sorry if this may sound a bit harsh, but no hearing professional should ever try to steer someone away from a possible solution regardless of what their own experience might be. Frankly, as someone who has counseled hundreds of HOH folks over the years I would be a complete fool to let them give up on any aid just because getting used to it takes patience. Change bothers everyone, but life goes on, so eventually you have to embrace the change anyway.

If anyone wants to more more about a BiCros, just let me know here.
 
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As the gentleman before me just wrote, a BiCros is diffrent than a simple Cros. I have been wearing hearing aids for 42 years and a BiCros unit for almost 30 years. Telex brand was the only wireless one available when I was first fit in the early 80's.

Sure, it's no fun to have to wear two BTEs, but the benefits far outweigh the comfort or cosmetic complaints. First of all, if I just wear a single aid in my left ear-profound loss- and not in my right-totally deaf- then it is natural for people to talk into, or direct sound towards, my right ear thinking that it must be my "good" one. That is a major problem for anyone like me.

Secondly, there is a serious accident risk if I just amplify sound on my left side. As an example, try walking safely in a crowded parking lot when you have no ability to hear sounds to your right but hear sounds on your left too loudly.

Next, don't ever get into the middle of a three person, or more, conversation without a BiCros as you will either have to ignore what is being said from one side or you will develop neck pains from constantly whipping your head around to put your best ear towards the speaker.

Bottom line for me is that I could not imagine how I would have survived all of these years without a BioCros. I am a corporate management trainer which requires me to be able to function at a high listening level in classrooms and tough acoustical settings. The BiCros saved my career when the bilateral Menieres hit me.

I am sorry if this may sound a bit harsh, but no hearing professional should ever try to steer someone away from a possible solution regardless of what their own experience might be. Frankly, as someone who has counseled hundreds of HOH folks over the years I would be a complete fool to let them give on on any aid just because getting used to it takes patience. Change bothers everyone, but life goes on, so eventually you have to embrace the change anyway.

If anyone wants to more more about a BiCros, just let me know here.

Are you a hearing aid dispenser?

Otherwise I can't imagine why you are bringing up this 4 year old thread.

Probably everyone deaf here knows more about Bi-cross aids than you do anyway.

It would be better to make a proper introduction thread for yourself. But we all frown on spammers.

(51 years of hearing aid experience, and I am only slightly older than that!) :laugh2:
 
Secondly, there is a serious accident risk if I just amplify sound on my left side. As an example, try walking safely in a crowded parking lot when you have no ability to hear sounds to your right but hear sounds on your left too loudly.

This may be true for you, but it's not universally true. I was born with SSD and while it's certainly true that you have to be aware of your surroundings, I have never once been in a situation where my SSD put me at greater risk for injury etc. People walking in a parking lot, crossing the street etc need to keep their eyes open and be alert for dangers regardless of their hearing - I (and most Hoh/Deaf people I know) see dangers long before they hear them, because (if responsible) we're so much more aware of our environments.


Bottom line for me is that I could not imagine how I would have survived all of these years without a BioCros. I am a corporate management trainer which requires me to be able to function at a high listening level in classrooms and tough acoustical settings. The BiCros saved my career when the bilateral Menieres hit me.

You would have survived in a similar manner to the hundreds of thousands of people who have SSD, or are unilaterally implanted with a CI etc. It's also worth mentioning that in general people find that BAHAs actaully work BETTER than CROS and BiCROS aids in many situations (the latter dependant on the amount of hearing on the hoh/more hearing side). Additionally - it's important to understand that CROS and BiCROS HA work much better for those who where born with normal or near normal hearing and then lost all/almost all hearing in one ear as young adults/later in life due to an accident/illness etc while retaining all/almost all hearing in the other ear. Those born with SSD, or severe/profound HL onone side & normal/mild HL on the other typically do not benefit from CROS/BiCROS HAs to anywhere near the same degree as those who are LD.


I am sorry if this may sound a bit harsh, but no hearing professional should ever try to steer someone away from a possible solution regardless of what their own experience might be. Frankly, as someone who has counseled hundreds of HOH folks over the years I would be a complete fool to let them give on on any aid just because getting used to it takes patience. Change bothers everyone, but life goes on, so eventually you have to embrace the change anyway.
While I agree to some extent, on the other hand BiCROS (and CROS for that matter) really only benefit a small number of potential candidates and there are other options which tend to work better for more people. While "making sure someone knows all the options" is important, it's equally, if not more important to make sure that people understand that some options are "available" but generally do not work (there's always a few exceptions that prove the rule).

In my case, I was born with SSD, which became 120+db hearing loss on my right (completely deaf) as well as mild/moderate fluctuating hearing loss on my left as well as Auditory Processing Disorder (APD) ... While I could technically use a CROS (now BiCROS) HAs due to my specific hearing loss, the way I process sounds etc it simply doesn't work - in fact it makes my sound discrimination worse (not an entirely uncommon outcome).

I'd be a candidate for a BAHA (unilateral or bilateral) which would almost certainly be a much better form of amplification/sound management than the CROS/BiCROS ... however I'm not really keen on the idea - even though it's a very very minor surgical procedure (nothing close to as invasive as CI).

For me, the thing that works is using a HA (BTE) on my mild/mod side (with adjustable volume to accommodate the "flux") which is actually over-amplified for what would be typical amplification for the HL on that side. For me, that is the best result - it's not a typical option (however it's actually becoming more common for those in similar situations to mine ie congenital SSD with additional post-lingual HL on the 'hearing side' as well as APD/CAPD etc).


I'm glad that you're BiCROS HA works for you ... however from the dozens of people who have tried BiCROS I only know 2 or 3 (including yourself) who've found it was the right strategy for them and kept it for more than a year or two.



DARN - suckered into another Dredged Thread :( Although I was posting to the person who dredged it ... so I suppose that makes a difference
 
How can someone whose been wearing HAs since 1980 have been wearing them for 42 years, it's not 2022 yet. I've been wearing mine since 1971 and by my reckoning that's 40 years this year, 2011!
 
Sorry, just realised you were talking about wearing Bi-Cros aids since 1980!
 
Easy Does It

Bottesini- Frankly, even if I was a dispenser, does it mean that my own experiences aren't valid? Sounds a bit narrow minded or even prejudiced to me. That I was clear about my actual occupation obviously bypassed your attention grasp. Factually, you are 100% wrong in that no one knows more about my own experiences with a BiCros than me. Are you a mod? Telling me how I should post is pretty arrogant on your part. So is calling me a spammer. Just put me on ignore, you will feel better; I hope.

Anji-Just to clear up a few points. I just joined this website, which I happened across on a search about a new BiCros, so I simply responded to the thread that linked me here. The last post date really didn't register with me, so I'm sorry if I "dredged".

I wholeheartedly agree with almost all of your opinions, especially the SSD ones, and my intention was not to say that a BiCros is an ideal solution for most HOH people, rather I happen to believe that a candidate for one should be given every opportunity to try one out.

Since I have bilateral Menieres, there is extensive nerve/inner ear damage to both ears. I am not a good candidate for any transplant, and that has been determined by two of the best Menieres' specialists in the US. My options therefore are very limited.

We will have to disagree that having a BiCros doesn't make for a safer surrounding environment than wearing a single aid.

As to dates, I was 17 when the Meniere's struck my right ear, was deaf in that ear by 22, and developed bi-lateral Meniere's by 30 and am now 59. As with any disease or affliction we know that the range, severity, and effect of symptons vary greatly from person to person. The potential psychological damage of deafness and HOH alone is impossible to predict among a group of people with the same medical diagnosis.

Since those who encounter wearing aids for the first time often have a multitude of reactions and complaints I think that it makes sense to support them through this change, regardless of the type of aid(s) they are using. In my volunteer work with these folks I try my best not to express negative opinions about any one product, rather, I encourage them to share their thoughts with their doctor or audiologist. Overall, I stress patience on their part.

Since the non-profit organization I represent, a local Lions Club, often pays for 100% of the cost of the aid(s), none of us volunteers have an ax to grind about what is purchased.

Thanks for you insightful comments.
 
Transear vs. CROS

Anybody who is interested in a Transear should put their money back in their wallet. I bought one when it first came out - I was thrilled just to be able to hear ANYTHING, but I really couldn't hear much. Still, I thought it was better than nothing, but it has been about 6 or 7 years of frustration. It stops working, it starts working. It works for 3 days and then won't work for 3 weeks. I ordered the upgraded wire connector (had to order 2 because the 1st one didn't work) and had the software upgraded too. I took it to my audiologist today because it's just dead as a doornail. She told me it's time to stop wasting money on it and look at a different solution to my single-sided deafness.

There are 2 new options. One is called the SoundBite. It had just received FDA approval, but isn't on the market yet. I'm told it's going to cost about $6,000. It's a bone conductivity aid. The technology is wild - google it and read all about it.

The other option is a new CROS that works via Bluetooth, so there's no wire. The aids are very small - probably less than 1" long. The price is about $3,200 and my audiologist thinks that's what I should consider. She says they work a lot better than the old Cros aids. I am going to give it a try as soon as I can come up with the $$$ to pay for it.
 
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