An outrage with a family situation...NEED ADVICE!!

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This is my first posting...I wanted to express my anger and share this story about an current family situation. I need advice and your suggestions about this situation. HERE we go...
I have been married to my wife for ten years. We both are deaf. My wife is the oldest daughter of her mother. Her mother divorced her father when she was only eight. Then she married another person who she had been with for 42 years. They did not have any kids until my wife was 15. I had learned that the step father had been using my wife as a slave when she grew up, keeping her in line with what he calls "discipline" when it is actually abuse. He kept her close to home until she was 19. She finally decided to listen to her deaf friends to move the hell out of there. The stepfather was outraged that she was moving out. I will not get into that story as you would get an idea. Image how that stepfather with that attitude raising his own kids to just disregard my wife. The siblings (one half sister and one half brother) never were close to my wife. We only saw them once or twice an year.
What built up my anger was how they never informed us about major events in the family...I will call them the Summers family with the exception of my wife's mother...these siblings graduated from high school when I married my wife ten years ago. When they moved around, they never contacted us. We once dropped by to visit the brother to see the new baby only to find strangers living at there! He moved to an new place across the town! Both of the siblings never informed us about moving nor having new babies! :pissed: Only the mother informed us.
Now with that situation, I decided to explain to them how important it was to communicate with immediate families about major events. They said yeah..yeah...I was thinking...:rifle: but I decided to see how they will behave down the road. Up until 3 months ago, they were still not communicating...saying they were "busy" with jobs and children. When we came up to visit my wife's mother, we found out she was hiding the fact she had been separated from her husband for six months. NO ONE CALLED US! I was surprised. I called the sister only to be told that I was an nice guy but there was an sad situation going on that she asked me to never call her back again EVER! The brother never returns our calls when we leave messages asking to call back to discuss the serious situation. We decided to visit my wife's mother more often. We were finding that the husband lost his company and was angry. That finally drove Wanda to get him to move out and be separated. (I was glad after seeing how he disrespects her...one good story here...he made her open the garage door while we sat in the SUV with him honking the horn at her to hurry her up. She was like 67 years old!).
She was talking strange too. Talking about her husband putting needles in her while she slept. Other than that, she was able to make sound decisions, pay bills and drive. I spoke to the husband and he insisted she was mentally insane. I saw some signs but nothing serious. The Summers family reacted by not letting her see their children for over 9 months. They did not want the separation to happen. They seemed not to be able to handle having their mother being mental ill.
With the lack of communication from the siblings...we tried to persuade the mother to go see an dr so she can get an diagnose. She was refusing to go until recently, she was considering it. At that point, she was becoming heartbroken over not being able to see the grandkids who she basically babysat in their toddler years. She decided to go over to the sister's house to protest by walking with an sign saying that she has not seen her grandkids for 9 months...that made the sister overreact by getting the brother and an uncle who supports the husband to sign an statement to get the court to grant an protective custody order to force the mother into an mental hospital...NO ONE TOLD US FOR FOUR DAYS AFTER SHE WAS PUT IN THE HOSPITAL on the Friday just before Thanksgiving. We were puzzled when we called and got no answers for four days to make plans for Thanksgiving.
How we found out was one of the mother's sister called us saying she just found out about the protective custody. We did try to call the siblings when we were not getting answer from the mother. We were worried that she might of fallen and got hurt. The siblings never answered back nor bothered to tell us! :rifle: Apparently they were trying to "help" her get to an mental doctor. They were hoping that the protective order forcing her to see an mental doctor would do the job....:stupid:...NOPE! They took her in for 72 hour of observation...and said they did not find anything that would require an protective custody. In order to get an VALID protective custody order, the person has to be an danger to him or herself or to others. So they released her from protective custody and she requested to stay in as an volunteer patient. I assume to express her anger and grief at the Summers' behavior for the past year. When she was ready, she walked out the hospital and never called anyone. She is now with her sister in another state. We had not been able to reach her for two weeks.
NOW, I am going to be needing legal advice on how to handle the Summers family. I could file for false statement to the DA office and they can arrest them for doing that. There is an fine of up to 25,000 dollars and an jail term of up to two years. I want to work on the guardianship for the mother so should she get to the point where she can not take care of her self, only my wife will be the guardian, not any of the SUMMERS family!
ANY ADVICE, SUGGESTIONS OR REFERRALS???by the way this family and the mother is in Forth Worth, Texas... (Tarrant Country).
 
The best possible advice you could get is through legal counsel..see a lawyer for suggestions, etc.,.

However, do wish you the best for your sakes, your wife's mother's sake--lastly, but not the least, reach at some point or common ground whereas everyone involved can at least agree on and work with.





~RR
 
I would have to go along with Roadrunner on advice to go see the lawyer or legal aid (law office for people who can not afford to pay for lawyer) and get some advice on how to help your wife's mother. You sound like a very caring guy who love to work with the family but not get anywhere to try to get along with the siblings. I am not an expert on solving the family situation. It is one of the difficult way to try to solve family problems. So only way is to get legal help with your lawyer. He or she will help you any way he or she can to help your mother-in-law. I wish you good luck and give us the update of what is happening with your mother-in-law. Okay? :wave:
 
First... Hello and :welcome: here Alldeaf :):):)

Reminder that you re not alone because there are some problem between hearing and deaf family too! Wait to more posts here and hope it's helpful ;):):)
 
Options....

Now that I got that story out...

I got three options in dealing with this.

1) File an charge of false statement with the DA which they are already looking at the statements by the three family members after the mental hospital said there were no reason for the protective custody. If they do find that these folk did file false statements to just to force the mother into an mental hospital to get to an doctor, then there is an fine of up to 25 thousand dollars and an jail time of up to 2 years.

2) Get with an lawyer...I am new to this process and I am finding that I would need to get an lawyer only in the same area where the situation is, not where I live. I am like three hours drive away. Legally, I can do one thing which is to set up an guardianship. I am going to try to get started on the legal process of setting an guardianship for the mother so when she is no longer able to take care of herself, then my wife can be the sole guardian for her...not the siblings based on their behavior so far.

3) Bring this issue out to the spotlight to bring shame on the Summers family for how they are behaving. Legally, there is not much I can do with them not communicating with us. You can't force people to communicate with you but you can bring attention to them....:gossip:...I have an cousin who is on an city council in that town. He uses wheelchair. He is going to see what he can do to help us. :fingersx:

Any comments or any REFERRALS TO LAWYERS??
 
Now that I got that story out...

I got three options in dealing with this.

1) File an charge of false statement with the DA which they are already looking at the statements by the three family members after the mental hospital said there were no reason for the protective custody. If they do find that these folk did file false statements to just to force the mother into an mental hospital to get to an doctor, then there is an fine of up to 25 thousand dollars and an jail time of up to 2 years.

2) Get with an lawyer...I am new to this process and I am finding that I would need to get an lawyer only in the same area where the situation is, not where I live. I am like three hours drive away. Legally, I can do one thing which is to set up an guardianship. I am going to try to get started on the legal process of setting an guardianship for the mother so when she is no longer able to take care of herself, then my wife can be the sole guardian for her...not the siblings based on their behavior so far.

3) Bring this issue out to the spotlight to bring shame on the Summers family for how they are behaving. Legally, there is not much I can do with them not communicating with us. You can't force people to communicate with you but you can bring attention to them....:gossip:...I have an cousin who is on an city council in that town. He uses wheelchair. He is going to see what he can do to help us. :fingersx:

Any comments or any REFERRALS TO LAWYERS??

Ok, honest comment: Probably your mother-in-law has some mental problems, even if she does not need the protective custody. You say "She was talking strange too", "we tried to persuade the mother to go see an dr so she can get an diagnose" and "I spoke to the husband and he insisted she was mentally insane. I saw some signs but nothing serious". So probably some problems and she must agree because "she requested to stay in as an volunteer patient". So maybe the family was wrong but not 100% wrong. If so, why talk to the DA? Maybe the family was concerned and tried to help even if wrong. Also you don't see or talk with your mother-in-law a lot, right? So maybe she has problems you don't know.

Also - even you are 100% right.......these still are her family and maybe you must see them. If you have guardianship of your mother-law won't she want to see the grandkids? So maybe the DA and lawsuits are not a good idea. Even if you are right maybe you need a gentler way.

I don't know your family and problems. Just some thoughts. I hope everything is better. :)
 
Reply to Kaitin

Kaitin,

I have tried the gentle approach...with the Summers family. The problem is that they are not communicating with us for some reason which I do not understand. It is a two way street when it comes to communicating. Image your half sister not informing you when she moves or have a new kid. Then the situation with the mother having an problem...
We visit her once an month. I had an new job so we had not been visiting my wife's mother for about six months which was right around the time this situation developed. When I got settled down and started visiting her, that was when we found out about the situation. If any of these family members had bothered to call us to tell us, we would be happy to work with them to get my wife's mother the help she needs.
As far as her mental health, she is 69 years old which is right around the time that risk with mental issues would occur. She was telling us about how her husband was trying to kill her by putting needles in her while she slept...that was what I was referring to as talking strange. However, she is still able to make sound decisions. Like paying bills, driving or deciding what to eat. We were almost getting her persuaded to go see an doctor to determine if she does have an problem after visiting her every month. We did not see anything where she would show serious problems...like slashing knives in door frame...foil on walls...like the movie "BUGS"....
As for how the Summers reacted....when the father moved out, the siblings immediately cut all contact with her. They basically told her to go see an doctor or they will never visit let her visit them or the
grandkids. They kept that up for 9 months. We could see the hurt in my wife's mother. That was not the GENTLE APPROACH!:pissed: I tried to call them to get us all to get together to discuss how to resolve this problem but I got hung up by the sister to be told to never call back. I did not understand why she would act this way other than she was distraught and did not know how to handle the whole situation.
NOW....:pissed:....the extended family members like the mother's sisters and brothers...had told the Summers family they need to communicate with us when dealing with the situation. I explained about the plan to get her the help with my approach...sweet talking to her repeatedly...no stick and carrot approach...all carrot!. I really needed their cooperation and they were not communicating with us. So how the heck can we all cooperate? One of the siblings told an family member that the Summers family intended to force her to go to the mental hospital. They went to the probate court and told them some kind of statement that prompted them to grant the protective custody to force the mother to go to mental hospital.
You have to understand that in order for the protective custody to be valid in the state of Texas, there has to be an clear evidence, which the person is an danger to oneself or to others, where they will look for that thru an 72 hour of observation by an psychologist. I did not see that in the mother and she was very much of an sound mind mentally. Just angry and emotional over not seeing the grandkids. When she was in the mental hospital, they did not find such evidence of this. The DA is looking into filing charges of false statements. We would be another witness in this case to attest that we did not see such evidence of danger.
SO....the Summers family is starting to get in trouble with the legal system and we are trying to get in touch with the mother who has not contacted us for two weeks. She must be really angry. I would be! I need some referrals to lawyers for the Tarrant Country area which is where Forth Worth is in Texas. Can anyone help us out? so I can work on the guardianship issue with out being bilked out of money by greedy lawyers.
 
I agree with Roadrunner... Try to contact deaf lawyers in Washington DC...i dont have their phone numbers... you can try online.. i dont know.... Do what you think is best...
 
Now that I got that story out...

I got three options in dealing with this.

1) File an charge of false statement with the DA which they are already looking at the statements by the three family members after the mental hospital said there were no reason for the protective custody. If they do find that these folk did file false statements to just to force the mother into an mental hospital to get to an doctor, then there is an fine of up to 25 thousand dollars and an jail time of up to 2 years.

2) Get with an lawyer...I am new to this process and I am finding that I would need to get an lawyer only in the same area where the situation is, not where I live. I am like three hours drive away. Legally, I can do one thing which is to set up an guardianship. I am going to try to get started on the legal process of setting an guardianship for the mother so when she is no longer able to take care of herself, then my wife can be the sole guardian for her...not the siblings based on their behavior so far.

3) Bring this issue out to the spotlight to bring shame on the Summers family for how they are behaving. Legally, there is not much I can do with them not communicating with us. You can't force people to communicate with you but you can bring attention to them....:gossip:...I have an cousin who is on an city council in that town. He uses wheelchair. He is going to see what he can do to help us. :fingersx:

Any comments or any REFERRALS TO LAWYERS??

I would say follow through on the first two options. These are necessary to make the situation something that you can live with. However, I owuld recommend caution in the third option. An attempt to shame the family is vindictive, and will only create more problems. It might make you feel better at the time, but in the long wrong, vindictiveness only makes things worse. Do what you have to do for yourself and your family, but do it in a way that makes you the bigger person. Good luck to you, and keep us updated.
 
Besides getting possible suggestions or advice from any type of legal counsel, perhaps even obtaining a mediator can help solve some of the 'other' things, pertaining to having a peaceful meeting place, etc., the thing is, trying to solve such a big issue as this isn't going to happen overnight, it'll take time and lots of patience--approaching all angles in the most peaceable way possible can bring out good expectations rather than bringing out all the bad vibes which surely will or can make all this much more difficult to solve or take care of. ;)





~RR
 
Solutions?

I have clinked on that link to the website for lawyers in the Tarrent Country where the situation is. Thanks for the link! I am going to go with one of the lawyer firm that specializes in this type of situation. I will be meeting with them to get advice this week. I will keep you posted on what is happening.:fingersx:
It looks like I do have two choices that I can go about how to handle this as I mentioned in previous thread. The 3rd choice of bringing shame to the Summers family is not ideal as I do not want to appear to be wanting revenge. You can not just force people to communicate with you. This is an free country. Of course there has to be consequence for failing to communicate when something as serious as this happens. What the consequence would be is not known. I do know that my wife's mother is more likely going to proceed with divorce proceedings with her husband and cut all ties off with the Summers family. That would only leave us as the immediate family that she would have left.
I was wondering...did any one of you folks have had this same kind of experience with this family situation and how it was resolved, if it ever was??
 
Legal or not, I would suggest that ya'll just move on. The more you deal with these people; the more problems you get.

Pick up the pieces (like the mother who went off to live with her sister in another state) and move on.
 
Hello ,
Do you want a name of a great family lawyer in Houston ,Tx ? he has been practice for years ?
I am sorry about the whole thing that is happening and what has happended
 
People can hide their mental illness really well. I work with people with mental illness.

Lets err, and give their perspective first....Perhaps theres more to the story than what meets your perspective and their perspective. From your admission, it does sound like you only had limited contact/short visits? (am I correct?) Perhaps those siblings in question isn't at fault, they could have a reason not to tell you and your wife as could have had their own individual reasons. Perhaps your wife has not told you the real full story when she was growing up (from my experience with families- each member has their own faults)

Otherwise contact the lawyer and see what can be done legally for your peace of mind.


on the other hand, families can be so cruel to each other with mental, emotional and physical abuse, intentional and unintentional- especially towards those deaf members excluding them from activities and never informing them of anything. Arugh!
 
Josey, If the law practice in Houston can handle the case up in Forth Worth, then by all means, give me the contact information...

As for moving on...my wife and I will...once we get the legal part done where we are assured that we will have the guardianship over my wife's mother. The siblings did not handle this very well. We do know she has some signs of mental problems (she is 69 and her family has history of some people having mental problems like Alz, dementia, etc).. We are primary concerned with who would be the best caretaker for her. My wife would be the best one compared to these siblings.

As for those who filed the affiviates to get the court to order an protective custody to force the mother into the mental hospital, they are already in trouble after the hospital told the court there was no reason for the order in the first place. The DA is investigating this. Remember, there is an fine of up to 25 thousand dollars and an maximum sentence of up to 2 years for filing false statements.
 
She has been returning to her home to pick up mail and checking on the house then heading to other relatives. Her sister lives in west Oklahoma and an brother of hers lives in the Texas Panhandle area near the state border. An friend of hers contacted me today for the first time in three weeks to give me an message. She said she was doing fine and was advised by her lawyer to cut ALL ties with those family members who were involved in getting her in an mental hospital. She is keeping an low profile until...I am not sure...maybe lawsuit? or whatever it is. We were not involved with that sorry idea of forcing her in an mental hospital.
Regardless, my wife and I still are talking about going to a lawyer to see what our options are in setting up an guardianship for her so we would not need to deal with the dumb siblings. We are finding it will cost around 1,500 dollars to set up guardianship with the court. There are several requirements by the court...mainly reporting to the court once an year on what was done and what was spent...whatever activity the court wants to know about. We are still looking at several lawyers.
 
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