American Jews Abandon Israel in Favor of Dear Leader

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kokonut said:
According to Israelis living in Israel they seem to have a different perception compared to the American counterparts when it comes to inaction. Go talk to them, not me. Go talk to the people at JP who did the polls.

Israelis: Obama 'wasn't empathetic to our needs'


No we can’t, Israeli hardliners tell Obama as he pushes for peace - Times Online
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They've been brainwashed long enough by the Israeli Right and if the Israeli PM announced tomorrow that he would round up and gas the Palestinians, those people would into lockstep behind him.
 
jillio said:
And why would I address the people doing the polls? You are the one offering advise to the American Jews.
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Israelis in Israel are saying that. They see that Obama is meddling in their rights to protect themselves. And I agree. They have much more to lose than those across the pond. I thought you knew.

Guess not.
 
kokonut said:
Israelis in Israel are saying that. They see that Obama is meddling in their rights to protect themselves. And I agree. They have much more to lose than those across the pond. I thought you knew.

Guess not.
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What president hasn't meddled in Israeli affairs? Get a grip.
 
jillio said:
Oh, pu-leeze! Educate yourself on both American and Jewish history.
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I was going to ask you the same thing. But it's better re-review Jewish history for a change. I bet you didn't even read that link. It is crucial that U.S. provide 100% support to Israel. That is not happening. Obviously so.
 
jillio said:
And from a Jew. Funny that you are the one that posted it, Mr. Gentile.
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Vacuousness is not an excuse when it comes to supporting Israel. I simply do not see that kind of support Israel needs. Rather disturbing when political correctness runs amok nowadays.
 
So, you ban someone for daring to speak up about Israel?

Yes, let's stifle opinions that don't show adoration for Israel because god knows that we've got to support a regime in Israel that models itself after Der Fuhrer.

Open your eyes, people.
 
I half-support Israel. I'm sickened by the way Israel handled Gaza and Palestine. I think we should stop providing weapons and military fund to Israel until they resolve it with Palestine at some point. They need to stop bulldozing & bullying them and Palestine (Hamas) need to stop terrorizing them as well.
 
BradB08 said:
So, you ban someone for daring to speak up about Israel?

Yes, let's stifle opinions that don't show adoration for Israel because god knows that we've got to support a regime in Israel that models itself after Der Fuhrer.

Open your eyes, people.
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Israel need all the support she can get. After all, Israel is bordered on all sides (except the Mediterranean Sea side) Islamic countries.

I encourage opinions...not stiffling it. Haven't you heard? It's called "expressing your opinions."

Sadly, now you are calling Israelites little Hitler followers.
Oh, niceeeee.....but a dumb move at the same time. A little history lesson for you, son.
 
Jiro said:
I half-support Israel. I'm sickened by the way Israel handled Gaza and Palestine. I think we should stop providing weapons and military fund to Israel until they resolve it with Palestine at some point. They need to stop bulldozing & bullying them and Palestine (Hamas) need to stop terrorizing them as well.
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Israel has on good faith gave up Gaza in 2005 for peace. And what did they get in return? hundreds of rockets out of the very land Israel gave up for peace.

They won't be satisfied until Israel is no longer Israel. That's a fact. Name one Muslim country around Israel recognizes her independence and sovereigty as a Jewish country?

Right.
 
Jiro said:
I half-support Israel. I'm sickened by the way Israel handled Gaza and Palestine. I think we should stop providing weapons and military fund to Israel until they resolve it with Palestine at some point. They need to stop bulldozing & bullying them and Palestine (Hamas) need to stop terrorizing them as well.
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Yeah......

That's explained why I'm middle of a few friends are pro-Israel and another few friends are pro-Palestine. They argue over about Israel, Palestine, or anything.

Ugh... I hate being middle/netural on that issues. =/
 
Jiro said:
I half-support Israel. I'm sickened by the way Israel handled Gaza and Palestine. I think we should stop providing weapons and military fund to Israel until they resolve it with Palestine at some point. They need to stop bulldozing & bullying them and Palestine (Hamas) need to stop terrorizing them as well.
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The great irony is that Hamas was funded and created by Israel with american dollars. It's a lot of politics and it's unclear what benfits Israel best, a strong Fatah movement with no rivals, or two rivals within the palestine community that fights each other.

I agree with Koknut that we need to worry for Israel. I think the world should do some military interventions and force Israel to accepts it's borders and Palestine to accept Israel and arabs and europeans should pardon their hostility toward jews for centuries. This can't be too hard.
 
There would be no peace in middle east until Hamas and Hezbollah goes cease to exist, also Iranian government need shut up.
 
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I don't think this section is even *that* controversial enough to do anything about. Why? Do you find it too controversial that a discussion shouldn't take place?

Anyway, as I have said before, Israelites in Israel have much more to lose than Jews in America. Especially by those who are blinded by Obama's supremeness thinking he's the answer to Israel's survival. Looks it's very much the opposite with the way things are going. American Jews who are pro-Obama might just regret for voting for Obama one day. That is, if they have any real passion for Israel's own survival. I question their sanity in all this.
 
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kokonut said:
Banned for not towing the line? Harldly the case.

You did describe Israelites/Israel in such a fashion enough so to pull a Hitler comparison. Ergo, Nazism.


I don't think this section is even *that* controversial enough to do anything about. Why? Do you find it too controversial that a discussion shouldn't take place?

Anyway, as I have said before, Israelites in Israel have much more to lose than Jews in America. Especially by those who are blinded by Obama's supremeness thinking he's the answer to Israel's survival. Looks it's very much the opposite with the way things are going. American Jews who are pro-Obama might just regret for voting for Obama one day. That is, if they have any real passion for Israel's own survival. I question their sanity in all this.
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Blah blah blah. All I see is the typical hatred of Obama and NOTHING logical in what you're saying.

No American president should be responsible for babysitting the brats in Israel. It is the responsibility of the Israeli people to elect responsible leaders instead of twits like BiBi.

Before you get started on the Palestinians, think about this: Would you respond to a punch from a bully by shooting them point blank in the head?

That's Israel's "self-defense" argument in a nutshell.

Keep on regurgitating all the crap you want. The bottom line is that Israel STINKS and I don't give a shit if they send Mossad after me. If we don't stand up to tyranny, tyranny will overcome us all.
 
BradB08 said:
Blah blah blah. All I see is the typical hatred of Obama and NOTHING logical in what you're saying.

No American president should be responsible for babysitting the brats in Israel. It is the responsibility of the Israeli people to elect responsible leaders instead of twits like BiBi.

Before you get started on the Palestinians, think about this: Would you respond to a punch from a bully by shooting them point blank in the head?

That's Israel's "self-defense" argument in a nutshell.

Keep on regurgitating all the crap you want. The bottom line is that Israel STINKS and I don't give a shit if they send Mossad after me. If we don't stand up to tyranny, tyranny will overcome us all.
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Let me ask you, when was the last time Israel invaded a country in the attempt to take over a country?

Despite firiing rockets into Israel's cities and towns for 7 years Israel GAVE UP Gaza for peace. And what she got in return when Palestinians came to "reclaim" their land peacefully? The Hamas took over and promptly began firing rockets again into nearby cities and towns of Israel. Many of the rockets were launched by Iran-backed terrorists in Gaza.

“Many world leaders said the rockets would stop when the ‘occupation of Gaza’ ended. But then Israel gave up all of Gaza in 2005. I was there. I watched as 9,000 Jews who had lived in Gaza were forced to move so that Israel could jump-start a peace process. Families gave up their homes, businesses, schools, and places of work and worship. Israel left the Palestinians greenhouses and critical infrastructure so that they could give up jihad and have jobs. Israel gave up all the land and continued to provide power and water to the Palestinian people.”

“What was the result? Hamas took control of Gaza in a violent coup. The number and range of rockets increased and now more than 4,000 rockets have been shot towards Israel since Israel left Gaza. Iran-backed Hamas leaders in Gaza have chosen Jihad over jobs and hate over hope.”
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Press Releases - The Israel Project

Seven years of basically being punched in the nose. Israel gave up Gaza. She still continued to receive more beatings afterwards.

That wasn't the only time giving up a land for peace that failed. Since 1948 in their continuing quest for peace with their neighbors they gave up the Sinai Peninsula, Gaza strip, and West Bank (and more). All failed and peace never really took hold. The received both punches and shots to their heads time and time again. They'll never rest until Israel is no longer Israel. Read your history for ounce.

You got your bullies mixed up considering the fact that Israel is surrounded by hostile, Muslim countries.

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See the wee little country there next to the Mediterranean Sea against much larger and hostile countries? :cool2:

Don't come after me with mere words, back them up next time.
 
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