4-Year-Old Can Be Sued, Judge Rules in Bike Case

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/29/nyregion/29young.html?_r=1&no_interstitial

Citing cases dating back as far as 1928, a judge has ruled that a young girl accused of running down an elderly woman while racing a bicycle with training wheels on a Manhattan sidewalk two years ago can be sued for negligence.
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The ruling by the judge, Justice Paul Wooten of State Supreme Court in Manhattan, did not find that the girl was liable, but merely permitted a lawsuit brought against her, another boy and their parents to move forward.

The suit that Justice Wooten allowed to proceed claims that in April 2009, Juliet Breitman and Jacob Kohn, who were both 4, were racing their bicycles, under the supervision of their mothers, Dana Breitman and Rachel Kohn, on the sidewalk of a building on East 52nd Street. At some point in the race, they struck an 87-year-old woman named Claire Menagh, who was walking in front of the building and, according to the complaint, was “seriously and severely injured,” suffering a hip fracture that required surgery. She died three months later of unrelated causes.

Her estate sued the children and their mothers, claiming they had acted negligently during the accident. In a response, Juliet’s lawyer, James P. Tyrie, argued that the girl was not “engaged in an adult activity” at the time of the accident — “She was riding her bicycle with training wheels under the supervision of her mother” — and was too young to be held liable for negligence.

In legal papers, Mr. Tyrie added, “Courts have held that an infant under the age of 4 is conclusively presumed to be incapable of negligence.” (Rachel and Jacob Kohn did not seek to dismiss the case against them.)

But Justice Wooten declined to stretch that rule to children over 4. On Oct. 1, he rejected a motion to dismiss the case because of Juliet’s age, noting that she was three months shy of turning 5 when Ms. Menagh was struck, and thus old enough to be sued.

Mr. Tyrie “correctly notes that infants under the age of 4 are conclusively presumed incapable of negligence,” Justice Wooten wrote in his decision, referring to the 1928 case. “Juliet Breitman, however, was over the age of 4 at the time of the subject incident. For infants above the age of 4, there is no bright-line rule.”

The New York Law Journal reported the decision on Thursday.

Mr. Tyrie had also argued that Juliet should not be held liable because her mother was present; Justice Wooten disagreed.

“A parent’s presence alone does not give a reasonable child carte blanche to engage in risky behavior such as running across a street,” the judge wrote. He added that any “reasonably prudent child,” who presumably has been told to look both ways before crossing a street, should know that dashing out without looking is dangerous, with or without a parent there. The crucial factor is whether the parent encourages the risky behavior; if so, the child should not be held accountable.

In Ms. Menagh’s case, however, there was nothing to indicate that Juliet’s mother “had any active role in the alleged incident, only that the mother was ‘supervising,’ a term that is too vague to hold meaning here,” he wrote. He concluded that there was no evidence of Juliet’s “lack of intelligence or maturity” or anything to “indicate that another child of similar age and capacity under the circumstances could not have reasonably appreciated the danger of riding a bicycle into an elderly woman.”

Mr. Tyrie, Dana Breitman and Rachel Kohn did not respond to messages seeking comment.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: October 29, 2010


An earlier version of this article incorrectly stated that Claire Menagh died three weeks after the accident. She died three months later.


What I want to know is, why weren't the parents keeping more of an eye out on the sidewalk and making sure that the "coast was clear"? Also, why are 4 year olds having bike races?
 
I wish I knew. I am assuming "negligence" but I'm not sure.
 
Yeah, let's give her the chair while we're at it!
 
My understanding is that the Mother allowed the 2 kids to "race" on the sidewalk....I feel the Mother should be held liable....Sidewalks are not for racing! They are for public use. Where else are the elderly supposed to walk? In the road?
Very sad about the elderly lady. Who knows, she may have been hard of hearing and did not hear the kids coming up behind her....not able to get out of the way in time.

Surely there was a park close by for kids to play in. And there are also bike paths. Where I live, no kids are allowed outside under the age of 12, unless with an adult. And must play in the park....no chalk writings on the sidewalks or the roads. And certainly, no bikes on the sidewalks.
 
My understanding is that the Mother allowed the 2 kids to "race" on the sidewalk....I feel the Mother should be held liable....Sidewalks are not for racing! They are for public use. Where else are the elderly supposed to walk? In the road?
Very sad about the elderly lady. Who knows, she may have been hard of hearing and did not hear the kids coming up behind her....not able to get out of the way in time.

Surely there was a park close by for kids to play in. And there are also bike paths. Where I live, no kids are allowed outside under the age of 12, unless with an adult. And must play in the park....no chalk writings on the sidewalks or the roads. And certainly, no bikes on the sidewalks.

Where do you live ? How to kids walk to school if they're not allow outside alone? Some parents are not able to walk their kids to school if they have go to work.
 
This is Manhattan, where are they supposed to go? That city is very crowded and there is basically almost no room to play so sidewalk is basically the only option in their neighborhood. Otherwise, I think parents should have told them to slow down before going off. I dunno how far they are from Central Park.
 
Where do you live ? How to kids walk to school if they're not allow outside alone? Some parents are not able to walk their kids to school if they have go to work.

It's not about walking to school...it's about loitering outside. Going to and from school is OK. But just kids outside running around are not allowed. That's why we have a big park for them to play in. Also a pool (with adult supervision), a gym, tennis courts, etc. We also have a big field where they can play football and ride bikes.
Many, many times you will see kids running around without any adult supervision....easy prey for predators, and also, some do damage to people's yards. The curfew is 10PM. And all kids are to be inside, we do have Security watching and cameras. So I do feel safe where I live. MY boys are older, not under 12.
Actually, I did report a resident since her 2 kds, ages 2, and 3...outside playing and she was no where to be seen. She is being evicted for not following the rules. These kids were way tooooo young to be outside without an adult.
 
"I will not run over old ladies with my bike ever again"

300x and 15 minutes in the corner.
 
Wow, ridiculous. It's just a child. I think an amonestation ( idk if that's correctly spelled ) to the mother and maybe a fine like having to pay for the old lady's medical bills due to her daughter running over her would be enough.
 
most thinking judges go after the parents. the children are the legal responsibilities of parents if sued in court
 
It's not about walking to school...it's about loitering outside. Going to and from school is OK. But just kids outside running around are not allowed. That's why we have a big park for them to play in. Also a pool (with adult supervision), a gym, tennis courts, etc. We also have a big field where they can play football and ride bikes.
Many, many times you will see kids running around without any adult supervision....easy prey for predators, and also, some do damage to people's yards. The curfew is 10PM. And all kids are to be inside, we do have Security watching and cameras. So I do feel safe where I live. MY boys are older, not under 12.
Actually, I did report a resident since her 2 kds, ages 2, and 3...outside playing and she was no where to be seen. She is being evicted for not following the rules. These kids were way tooooo young to be outside without an adult.

damnit.. thats why our kids ar fat these days. I grew up playing my ass off outside all day/night long while my parents were inside doing their thing.
I usually wound up miles away from home.

i'd be pissed off if i wasnt allowed to "loiter outside"
 
damnit.. thats why our kids ar fat these days. I grew up playing my ass off outside all day/night long while my parents were inside doing their thing.
I usually wound up miles away from home.

i'd be pissed off if i wasnt allowed to "loiter outside"

That's what I was thinking.
 
It's not about walking to school...it's about loitering outside. Going to and from school is OK. But just kids outside running around are not allowed. That's why we have a big park for them to play in. Also a pool (with adult supervision), a gym, tennis courts, etc. We also have a big field where they can play football and ride bikes.
Many, many times you will see kids running around without any adult supervision....easy prey for predators, and also, some do damage to people's yards. The curfew is 10PM. And all kids are to be inside, we do have Security watching and cameras. So I do feel safe where I live. MY boys are older, not under 12.
Actually, I did report a resident since her 2 kds, ages 2, and 3...outside playing and she was no where to be seen. She is being evicted for not following the rules. These kids were way tooooo young to be outside without an adult.

Makes you feel good, doesn't it? :roll:
 
damnit.. thats why our kids ar fat these days. I grew up playing my ass off outside all day/night long while my parents were inside doing their thing.
I usually wound up miles away from home.

i'd be pissed off if i wasnt allowed to "loiter outside"

I grew up in the country, so when I wasn't working in the tobacco or corn fields, I was playing outside. That was "then" but not "now". Things have changed drastically, more Predators, more crime and drugs, breaking and entering, theft.....on and on.

With all the junk foods kids eat these days, yeah, they are fat and so are adults. Lack of exercise also.

My boys played football for 3 hours today, picked them up, all dirty and some scrapes...but they got the exercise! Plus they've got the gym during the week and a case of water all the time.

City kids are different (even tho' we live in the city), but finding somewhere close by where they can play safely and get the exercise needed, is all it takes.

If that were my grandma that got killed, I'd be hurt also. The Mother of the child that hit the old lady with the bike, she should have known the dangers of that on a sidwalk where people walk.
 
I grew up in the country, so when I wasn't working in the tobacco or corn fields, I was playing outside. That was "then" but not "now". Things have changed drastically, more Predators, more crime and drugs, breaking and entering, theft.....on and on.

With all the junk foods kids eat these days, yeah, they are fat and so are adults. Lack of exercise also.

My boys played football for 3 hours today, picked them up, all dirty and some scrapes...but they got the exercise! Plus they've got the gym during the week and a case of water all the time.

City kids are different (even tho' we live in the city), but finding somewhere close by where they can play safely and get the exercise needed, is all it takes.

If that were my grandma that got killed, I'd be hurt also. The Mother of the child that hit the old lady with the bike, she should have known the dangers of that on a sidwalk where people walk.

Not really. They get reported more and it merely seems that way.
 
Makes you feel good, doesn't it? :roll:

Right beside her residence, is a set of stairs that goes up to the second floor. The little ones were trying to climb up there....Would you let ur 2 and 3 yr. old try to climb a pair of steep stairs by themselves? Suppose they fell down the stairs and broke their necks?
Our yards are not fenced! The park is a half block away....The Mother stayed inside her townhouse....It was her job to watch her kids, not mine. She was putting them at risk. If the kids had of fallen down those steps and gotten injured, would I feel guilty? Yes, I would....Was it "my job" to go out there, get them down, take them to her residence and "tell her off"?..No, it wasn't. She surly knows the "rules" where we live. And who knows? Wherever she moves to, she'll probably do the same thing, ignoring her kids and get evicted again.
No responsible mother leaves very small children outside unsupervised.
 
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