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Correct me if I'm wrong, but am I correct in saying that people used to try all sorts of stupid things in an attempt to cure deafness? (Do they still?) I mean, self-evidently stupid folk remedies. Like trepanation or something. If so, I'd be interested in hearing examples. (Tell me if I make...

Wow! Thank you for all of that information! It must feel really infuriating when people expect you to read lips and stuff, since it's so much more difficult than they know. Is that correct? It's awesome of you guys to take the time to explain this stuff. :D :ty:

Anij, that makes sense. So you're wary of new hearies because (from long experience) you expect them to start treating you like either a poor afflicted soul or a self-narrating zoo exhibit? Wow, I hadn't really realized, but it's possible to seem totally hearing but not necessarily understand...

Wow, thank you for showing me that video! So, the actress can speak normally because she was hearing when she learned, right? Cool. Also, the character she's playing (the hearing one in the middle of the ridiculous recursion) is an absolute idiot. Is that the kind of stupidity you guys deal...

What a waste! I hope someone fished the books out of there!

Ah, I see. That makes sense. Thanks for explaining!

Well, it seems like it should, since he learned to do it while hearing and since CIs are designed to make speech understandable. But since the last zillion assumptions I made were wrong, I figured I'd ask.

Cool, thank you. Does that make speaking easier for him?

Post here should I maybe? Want practice but I try write ASL, you annoy maybe why? still learn make mistake many maybe. I post now, happen I make mistake, you tell me? wait learn more post later should? Which?

drphil, you have a CI, right? Does that make it easy for you to talk and understand speech? What kinds of things did you learn in your SpeechReading class?

Anij, wow. I'm actually really glad to hear that. Not the part about only 30% of speech being visible, but the other part. I have personally experienced having other people conflate seeming normal with being successful, and being expected to pretend to belong to the majority group that I don't...

Well, that's quite confusing. :lol: deafdyke, when they do that, are they generally well-received? Do they become as much members of the community as those who grew up in it? What does it feel like for them to find it, if you happen to know? A Nihilist, what kind of clues do you use to...

Bottesini: point taken. I just sort of figured it would be possible to fake it even if you had no clue what was going on because, well, that's what I've done and seen others do. I mean, obviously I could guess that it wouldn't work for the Deaf person, but presumably that's not what the parents...

I don't know. Does that happen a lot? What I had in mind was more like just never asking for accommodations and pretending to understand everything. Is that plausible? That someone might be able to understand enough by lip-reading, and guess enough from context, and speak well enough, that the...

I was thinking of someone who'd been raised without sign language, but had managed to "fake it" okay by talking and lipreading. Is that plausible at all? What would be a better way to refer to that? Mainstream success?

What do oral "successes" sound like? Do they have noticeable accents? If you're good at talking, do people ask you where you're from? Do they think you have some kind of cognitive impairment? Or do they pretend not to notice anything? How well can lipreading work? Assuming you're really good...

No idea. Maybe people just don't know what to say and don't think they can help. Either way, it must be a very lonely position for you to be in right now. I hope things get better.

I'm sorry to hear that. Is there anything a complete stranger on the internet can do to help? It sounds like you're going through a lot right now.

Cool, I hope it's someone nice. I wouldn't want to remind people of some troll or something. :lol:

Either of Holly Lisle's Korre novels could be my favorite. They're both fantasy and are both really epic; they focus on the global politics of her world and the wars that go on between the Tonk and, well, everybody else. I also recommend The Trudeau Vector, by Juris Jurjevics. It's been a long...