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I've been impressed by this topic and the responses to it, it's been a long time since the emotive aspect was taken out of the debates to examine the issues behind deaf communications, you've done well here, compared with other sites which just deteriorate into 'My mode is best'. Parents seem...

In the interests of fair play, where is the proof of enforced oralism ? surely enforced/compulsion against a disabled individual's human rights (Especially a child), is illegal in America ? I thought you were AHEAD of the UK, who made this illegal some years ago. I also recall reading of an...

One way to by-pass the cash-in merchants on sign language and lip-reading, is for someone already well-versed in, or trained (And with our interests at heart !), to use a vidblog to Do it themselves, thus making it free, I'm sure a sponsor would help too. It would also settle the argument about...

<there are a significent subtype of oralists, who can turn Deafies off with their attitude> Indeed there are, and also a significant number of sign users who do the reverse, if we are fair. We should be condemning both of course, because it is they who are holding everyone else up. They're...

It seems a strange thing, that sign-language isn't offered as a freebie to those that want/need to learn it. In the UK we argued families of deaf people and even future and aspiring interpreters should have lessons free,or at least subsidized via the state. It's a vital communication form that...

While the basis of universal love and unity in the deaf worlds depends on the options of a 'full box' and free access to it, there does seem an inbuilt reluctance to really accept it, from both sides of the issue. This is where we are, and what we are discussing. To grasp the nettle this means...

We are all products of our own experiences deafdyke, it takes a special person to be able to stand back and examine it with some impartiality. To examine sign-language (or oralism), and assess the merits or disadvantages of both, is hard if you feel one mode or another disadvantaged or spoilt...

Interesting viewpoint ! Your deaf sites suggest otherwise :) There's a danger of generalising, we all do it, most of it still down to the conflict of idealogy between loss and culture, in all it's many varieties. So long as these differences occur the debate continues to attain some...

I appreciate your viewpoint, but cannot see where this is going. We have both agreed no deafness no deaf culture, and no set up of one. Nothing of which you have stated would EXIST if deafness didn't exist itself, which was an hypothetical viewpoint, deafness does exist, so why the angst ? You...

I fear deafdyke you are being a little bit naughty here, and introducing a non-deaf subject in, it would be a shame if the feminist thing was introduced to cloud the waters. I've never if ever saw women as anything but my superior equal.....

With due respect NO ASL/BSL sign language would exist without the deafness, so I cannot really see where this point is coming from. You are I fear ignoring totally the disability of deafness, which create the circumstances that allow deaf culture to evolve. This is a line many in the deaf...

I don't find the culture thing negative, just a lot of its advocates are, people like Ladd are a pain here, it's as if there is some compulsion to invent a new term every week, the idea presumably is so no-one can pin them down long enough to get a decent explanation or justification from them...

Survival of deaf culture is ENTIRELY dependant on levels of decibels the individual/group has, and has nothing to do with sign language/values/history or such, if you can hear you will not adopt any deaf culture, or develop it. Culture deaf-wise is based on the fact people are DEAF (i.e. have...

Clearly the American and UK ways differ. Unsurprising as we are still riddle with 'class' systems (We invented it !), and the deaf here are not any exception to the rule. I suppose it tends to hinge on how deaf are 'mainstreamed', here it tends to take the stance (From a deaf school...

Of course you do, I was speaking from an UK Perspective. I don't believe I said mainstream was Utopia, it has huge issues here in the UK too,and for those unable to progress in mainstream (Which I suggest is a minority), deaf schools should stay. I am saying mainstream is the ONLY way deaf can...

We agree mainstream has a long way to go, but so have the deaf, no-one thinks it wil be easy, you've many hundreds of years of being told deaf are stupid, Rome wasn't built in a day, we have to keep plugging away until we win. If deaf consitently retreat into a deaf world because it's less...

It can be argued deaf WILL face discrimination when they leave education, so what's the point cocooning them in a deaf-only environment ? you're just delaying the inevitable, and worse not equipping them to face up to it, hence why they head for each other and a deaf-only system when schools are...

A Lack of hearing is obviously not a lack of understanding, but a lack of appropriate communication to follow. The suggestion mainstream always used in the past was that being deaf meant you had no ability to understand anything said, we weren't able to HEAR, which is quite different, that...

Hearing people go deaf too. many acquire deafness and know these things having seen both sides of the question and living both sides too, not really an option to those born deaf, or without any useful hearing from day one. Let's look at it from a medical viewpoint (I know we don't like to !)...

Of course there are two sides, and both have their extremists. Like many here I support the total approach. Sorry if it came over anti-sign, I was perhaps reflecting the state of Gallaudet, and similar views we have in the UK, where sign users are generally higher profile than oralists, so...