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We revert to going around in circles again sadly... It would seem no moderates have a real voice in activism, or those that do prefer to 'get on with it' and ignore it, which isn't working. The stated remit of near 100% of any and all groups with hearing loss as a membership are 'inclusive'...

So we agree seperatism exists,so how can we tackle it ? ignoring it won't make it go away. I'm unsure the USA is any more 'accepting' than we are, some USA sites are very militant and dogmatic too, but in part it seems the UK has serious issues of acceptance to resolve (Our colonial past I...

It runs in my family. As far as I am aware I'm fourth generation with a deaf mother, grandmother and great grandmother (why they picked me as the sole male with it, I think was rather mean :) ). I also have a niece with it so it is carrying on... None of us have ever entered the community at...

I think you are right, despite deaf activism having little real support among grass-roots, they ARE seen as the 'voice' of culture, so the brush paints all the same. Grass-roots don't really get involved,they socialise, carry on with their lives, they should however be paying more attention to...

I gather Brits are to blame for Deafhood. Deaf activism took Mr P Ladd's book on it, and turned it into a sign-only campaign, and it got distorted into almost total negativity towards mainstream. I blame Mr Ladd for not coming out and condemning that, still, it sold his books. We had a book...

I'll take your view on that.... but it did address real worries parents have.. they might lose contact with their children once 'assimilation' occurs into the deaf community.. parents are hearing mainly, it is a short change from being negative towards hearing, to being negative towards ones...

I (Suspect), the greatest 'fear' of hearing parents, is to lose their child to a sector they see as 'seperatist' in nature. Perhaps it is really down, to the pro-ASL/BSL hardliners to get a new slant and be more accomodating and welcoming ? The rhetoric of 'deaf rights' has been tainted by...

I see this word 'assimilate' bandied about, I get nervous ! especially when deaf people use it, as it is very negatively used by them, many parents (Most I believe), want deaf children to be able to ACCESS the hearing world, not pretend to be hearing. I think judgement is a bit clouded by those...

I feel sad this topic even exists, but it does show how apprehensive many parents can feel at the prospect of their child and deaf culture inclusion. The 'community' really does need to adfdress the negative image it has, of a an introspective and decibel/sign led group with an 'entrance' exam...

The facts of this issue is we are deaf people, who use many differeing means, often a varied combination of means, to follow written and spoken communications. There is no such thing as a preference, most is dictated via basic ability. I might prefer to lip-read 100% my ability doesn't let...

I wasn't suggesting ASL/BSL should be banned or anything, but it isn't the ideal sign to use for access to education and the hearing world. AS an ACCESS tool SIgned english is obviously better. As a social tool ASL seems to be, but in deaf-only situations, signed english would appear to be a...

A visual language needs like any other 'language' reference material and everything else, ASL/BSL hasn't any. Teaching one form of grammar to address another seems not the way to go about things, surely it can only confuse ? most 'Deaf' as we know just take the non-standard grammar of ASL/BSL...

I suppose this raises the point of its value in real access terms to deaf people ? Since the deaf need/want access to the wider world it suggests ASL (Or the Brit BSL), is the wrong type of sign deaf should be using. Signed English (In the UK), seems a more practicable and realistic sign deaf...

Like most people I would write it exactly, as hearing people do ! Who writes in ASL ?

The examples you gave looked more basically like pigeon-english, and poor grammar English to someone seeing this for the first time, we have the same issues with BSL, more a re-arrangement of basic grammar to suit the sign used. To many it is a signed version of the basic host country language...

Being in a hearing enironment will not really tell you how it feels to hear, no more I suppose than spending time in a deaf one will really tell you how it feels to be deaf for life. You will pick up communication tips etc, but at the end of the day you can return to the hearing life, deaf...

Probably only acquired deaf can answer the topic question, as they were hearing first and then deaf afterwards. Those who have gone from full hearing to profound deafness are really the experts on this. You cannot really pose this question to those deaf in the cultural area, they have no dual...

Perhaps this is true in America ? it seems a wide sweeping generalisation. People use what ability dictates, if oral usage is better suited to a deaf person they will use it, I don't think they decide 'I will oralise' because they don't want the sign thing. A LOT of lip-readers here are...