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Extremists are the people changing mainstream (and deaf), perceptions of access and education, you cannot ignore them or they will install what they want to see by default, it may well not be the 'full toolbox' we would like to see. The problem is the moderates of the respective worlds, take...

Of course I am not unbiased or impartial either, but that is for adult debate, it's a kind of 'blood-letting' for want of a better word, amongst fellow adults who may understand the issues, but not children, we've no way of knowing how the individual reacts to the system, some take readily to...

There does seem a view non-using all the skills you have acquired is OK, obviously I don't agree with this. Regardless of parental usage, they have HEARING and SPEAKING children, and the child can form a view deaf people do not want to communicate with them. To sit back and sign until the...

We're a lost cause ! The hope was we WOULDN'T influence the deaf child as role models with the baggage, we all carry. It's why I was wary, to even suggest anything to the parent who asked in this topic for advice. Whatver poor experieinces I had, or you wouldn't be the same anyway, it would...

At F.E (Further Education) level, PHU's (Partial Hearing UNits), are definitely being used as pseudo deaf schools. A school within the school ! So 'mainstreaming' has been viewed with some suspicion because of how the deaf have used the areas alloted to them to circumvent 'mainstreaming' to a...

My partner was born deaf and learnt to speak as well, albeit it is monotone, it was understandible, her mother spent considerable effort getting her to oralise and that gave her a voice you could understand, however when she finally entered a state deaf school, and acquired sign language she...

I was speaking from an UK viewpoint, there are 31 here in the UK that's all, my region (Wales), has none. Of that 31 8 are ear(!) - marked for closure, and 4 on the line. Clearly the UK believes mainstream works. Unless the more able deaf children enter mainstream, then the system will not...

But it is a PERSONAL view, and may well not be applicable to someone else's child. Also, teaching method has changed, we are all, only 'experts' on our own issue, we can't be experts on anyone else's, any deaf adult will tell us all to butt out too E.G we could say 'when I was at a deaf...

The debate is mainly between oral or signing deaf not deaf people and hearing, a lot of people miss this point. Mostly it is because of bad responses reactions between these two deaf sectors, who find a level of intolerance towards each other because of modes used. One advocates a system some...

If a parent chooses sign or orals, someone here would still raise issue ! Parents cannot really 'choose' what a child will rely on, ability dictates that, you can lead a horse to water etc. We seem to agree whatever works is best. I detected (Perhaps inaccurately ?), you are not fond of oral...

Depends on the tools, their suitability, and the ability, of the person to use them. I don't personally think choice/preference is viable, it's a false argument, whether it is speech or sign-language in a child's case.

Sign language is a wonderful deaf to deaf communication mode, and you're dead in the cultural/social water if you don't know it, it's a poor hearing-deaf communication 'though, and makes you dependant.

ALL modes we use are tools for communication, not one of them is the complete answer in itself. Where some went wrong, was settling for one, rejecting viable others, and then basing their life around it, thus cutting off many other options they might otherwise have had, then, making a virtue...

I meant it was very obvious NO-ONE here is unbiased. The lady was asking for advice or suggestion, I think we are far too biased to offer balance, so I didn't offer any suggestion, each must find their own way, a child is different from an adult, I wouldn't presume to tell a parent how to...

I rest my case.....

Well Heather here is hardly the place to ask about pros and con's ! There are pro and anti factions for the sign and/or the oral approach. I wouldn't presume to tell you which is best, because perhaps neither or both are. I think it is absoluetey vital ALL Means are tried, then, arriving at...

Originally Posted by Rose Immortal I wonder if the assumption is that because hearing people are so attached to their hearing, that they'd be unable to cope without it as a deaf person could? This is a wrong assumption then ! I was very MUCH attached to my hearing, (Did no good it still...

Or, 'Deaf people think....." or "Hard of Hearing think....", or ........"Oralists think....", or..... this silly term is aimed at everyone that's the trouble, and why the UK never took it up.