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  1. GrendelQ

    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    :hmm: Do you really imagine that I called you a pervert? What a strange twisted world you must run around in if that's how you remember things. Think back. Try hard to remember. You do realize that it was the other person who said that those of us who had photos of children/grandchildren on...
  2. GrendelQ

    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    Reba, I can see you are very much against the use of SEE to teach literacy, to the point of getting irate about my questions about it. This surprises me, because, as I mentioned, I don't see any of that hostility towards the system in the Deaf community I know here in MA. Dr. Brenda Schick...
  3. GrendelQ

    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    Probably because I wasn't addressing your [non-existent] point. :laugh2:
  4. GrendelQ

    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    Yes. My daughter uses ASL. She likely could have learned to read English solely using spoken language as the bridge without signed English support. But using signs she knew made it easier. But not all ASL-using children have access to sound as she does. Why hold well-studied learning tools...
  5. GrendelQ

    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    Reba, the visual references your teacher presented, like showing you that the sign for drink means "drink" is a means of encoding vocabulary visually. A bridge. Those demonstrations you were "subjected" to didn't replace some other language, they were teaching tools to help you connect meaning...
  6. GrendelQ

    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    You know that SEE was created by a deaf academic at Gallaudet to provide a system for teaching deaf students learn to read, right?
  7. GrendelQ

    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    Literacy among deaf students is a very serious problem, Reba. On average, prelingually deaf readers graduate from high school with reading skills comparable to hearing third and fourth graders. That finding has been consistent throughout the past century. See more...
  8. GrendelQ

    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    Has someone contended that this is impossible? My daughter doesn't use SEE. But her ASL-using teachers most definitely used signed English to help her learn to read. There are other ways, too. We know that it's of great benefit to have command of a language when learning a second. ASL is...
  9. GrendelQ

    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    HUH? Show me where? Are you just making that accusation up (as usual) or did you really interpret that from one of my posts?
  10. GrendelQ

    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    :hmm: I didn't twist your words. I used the same ones you did. :hmm: Apparently when played back to you they appear twisted. If you read again, you'll see that I agree with you. But OK, I won't use your word "subjected". Deaf children are provided a coded system to learn to read and write...
  11. GrendelQ

    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    Right. Because they can hear, so they use the spoken mode of English to learn to read and write the written form. They are "subjected" to the spoken mode.
  12. GrendelQ

    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    Typically you would learn a written mode of a language, such as Greek, from its spoken form, learned first. The unique situation here is that deaf children without access to sound can't learn effectively to read and write from the spoken form, hence the use of a signed mode of that language to...
  13. GrendelQ

    Deaf World/Hearing World

    A friend is presenting at this conference -- wish so much I could go. I hope the presentations will be available on the site afterwards.
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    Can Hard of hearing people get a CI?

    We were told to expect to lose some dbs in the surgery. But whether bc of surgeon's skill or physiology, my daughter's audiogram showed a minimal change of about 5dbs with her cis turned off, so very little loss if any of "residual hearing." But, we were told she'd probably lose it over the...
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    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    Do you think there should NOT be a signed mode of English used to teach literacy to deaf kids?
  16. GrendelQ

    Im new and a mother of 2 beautiful children who are deaf

    Welcome Rosa! I can't speak to the transfer of vocabulary and knowledge from SEE to ASL, though I'm sure someone else can chime in on how you can leverage that knowledge. But, in our situation, I do think that the strongest factor in developing my now 6YO daughter's fluency in ASL was immersion...
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    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    I thought I posted a question before, but was likely all iphone thumbs :) . I know there are spoken, written, and several signed modes of English, but I thought ASL existed only in a signed mode. Is there really a spoken mode of ASL? I was surprised to find last year that my daughter's...
  18. GrendelQ

    Nucelus 5 upgrade to replace N24

    Catty, with a child who loves to swim, I was so excited to find that the N5s could be used in the pool without needing to ziploc them! We've had ours for two years without a problem, and my daughter has spent full days at the pool without having to take them off each time she goes in -- what a...
  19. GrendelQ

    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    Reba, I wasn't intending to argue at all -- I'm not a SEE user -- I thought you were sincerely asking this question, which is why I posted the article written by the deaf woman who created SEE addressing exactly what you asked . I'm not contending anything, just pointing to the Gallaudet -...
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    Is it really so bad to know SEE (Sign Exact English?)

    You've never heard people discuss how often intent, emotion, and tone are not always accurately conveyed in posts vs. face to face discussion? It's one of the reasons why people tend to add emoticons or write out such things as (j/k) or //sarcasm//. I think that written English can convey...
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