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I'm trying to get TLC supporters to vote quickly for a fellow deaf school!

But didn't you say you were raised orally? Aren't we talking about teaching deaf children raised without an oral approach to read and write. Oralists would be focused on using spoken language as the bridge.

Yes, I do. Do you?

:cool2: Yes, that's exactly what we're talking about: visual ways to teach a child to read and write using teaching tools like Visual Phonics, SEE, fingerspelling, and so on.

Nope, was responding to the other poster's wild guess at the genesis of the system, not its efficacy.

yes, although the input or cue is different: a hearing child is matching a sound to a letter/word on the page, while a deaf child doesn't have access to that sound, so with these teaching systems like Visual phonics or SEE, there's instead a visual cue, not an auditory cue, there's a visual...

Hearing children start to learn to read by having books read aloud to them while simultaneously tracking the pictures and the words on the page that correspond to the words being said aloud. To learn to read English, a hearing child must figure out the relationship between sounds and...

Shel, no one in this discussion was talking about acquiring SEE as "a first language." SEE is a tool for teaching literacy, one of several in use with deaf children today. The merits of using SEE as a teaching tool to learn to read and write English were being discussed. I don't use it with...

No, you have misunderstood. I wrote that "deaf children without access to sound can't learn effectively to read and write from the spoken form, hence the use of a signed mode of that language to make it accessible" -- you can't expect a deaf child without access to sound to learn to write by...

Seriously? With or without ASL, same answer. We are talking about learning to read and write English, though, so it's not me making it broad or vague, it's you.

No, I mean in the context we've been discussing here, as a literacy tool: to teach reading and writing English. Why are you not opposed to it ? It has some of the same features as SEE EXCEPT that it does not use ASL vocabulary or directionality, emotion, inflection, as SEE does. Unlike SEE...

The English language learning process IS difficult for deaf kids who don't have access to sound and don't have a 1 to 1 mapping of one mode to the other. The goal is to find ways that work best for each child to make it easier. Are you opposed to Visual Phonics?

I don't understand the disconnect. Your question: My answer:

Isn't that the same order you said you took with your children, too?

Shel, I have repeatedly answered variations on your question in this thread: I do not think that using a coded system -- or any teaching approach you want to throw at me -- is the only way for deaf children to learn to read or to acquire language, if you want to broaden it beyond the scope we...

I haven't seen a single person suggest that in this entire thread. From what I know, Csign and her child use both ASL and SEE.

Unfortunately, statistics show that your high level of literacy is unusual. I want my daughter to have the benefit of excellent tools and strategies for teaching deaf children that are available to her. This ability to harness tools and approaches beyond those in the typical classroom is one of...

There actually is a widely studied and documented correlation with being deaf and poor literacy. But it's not a cognitive issue, which I think is your point. I've posted (and linked earlier in this thread) a recent study that argues that it's not a matter of lacking phonological awareness...

I don't understand why people seem to see the use of these learning tools and MCEs to teach children to read and write English as being somehow "anti-ASL." One is a language, one a teaching tool. Marc Marschark, the preeminent researcher in the area of deaf education, heading up RIT's CERP...

Using other tools besides spoken language mode? Yes, isn't that exactly the argument for using coded systems like Visual Phonics, SEE, CS, Fundations, fingerspelling, and so on? Finding visual means of teaching children to read and write without sound.