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If you disagree with the screaming banshee, she'll call you an audist. Don't mind her. It's a matter of being able to be appropriate when disagreeing, and she likes to say that word to ruffle feathers. I think it is called 'the deaf card'. :)

It's only handicapped if you want it to be. In this day and age, I mean, I don't even think of Hawking as 'incapable'. Whatever he has issues with doesn't diminish his ability to contribute to society. I'd disagree with - capable, though, as extra sensory perception is something that seems to...

I was told that a hearing person advocating for a cause that is for the deaf is like a man calling himself a feminist. Sorry, but men can be feminists. And if we had not had a few, I'm not sure where women would be today. Capice? Or is that too much English for you?

How am I audist? That's just as baseless as me calling you a racist.

Agreed.

I think that Jillio calling someone a liar is very personal.

I'm very grateful to the men who voted for the 19th Amendment. edit: The deaf wouldn't get as far without hearing partners like Grendel and myself. ;) Consider the things that deaf have because of those 'big bad hearing' legislators.

What Grendel - and myself - are trying to tell you is that fluency is not a matter of hearing people being jerks or not. You ARE fluent and you need to stop letting hearing people get you down. That's bullshit. In a linguistic sense, you're fluent. You have English. We are sharing a language...

My point is correct and it's echoed often. There are many rights movements that have similar undertones, but they all stand on their own merits. The larger Deaf rights movement today has separated itself from the Disability Rights movements of a few decades ago. You must be the one who...

I'm not sure what you mean by that q. Rephrase, please? I asked her to not compare fear of death to fear of discrimination in 2011 America. If you want to look at WHY people are fucking idiots in regards to diversity, that's a convo I'm happy to entertain...I think you'd know me well...

You asked me why I was 'against' deaf. Why do you think I'm 'against' deaf? Because I said that Grendel was being unfairly attacked? Is that why? Because I pointed out that hearing people consider university language a matter of intelligence and they do it to most hearing people as well...

You would do well to entertain yourself in a debate or philosophy class, deafskeptic. I really like the things you have to say on AD and I enjoy you a ton, but if you fail to see my points in the logic here, that's nothing I can help. Further insulting me by suggesting I don't know my history...

I was showing how you played the Deaf card. Just because I'm hoh and you're Deaf and I disagree with you does not mean I'm 'against' deaf people. You threw out a total BS claim there because you couldn't argue merits.

Actually, I said you can't compare the two. I actually said that drawing parallels or trying to understand root causes is fine, but your assertion that passing for white and passing for hearing was the same thing and it's not.

Talk about lynch mob. I ask people to debate on merits and I get attacked. :) Nowhere did I deny deaf discrimination. Nowhere.

Why do you hate Jews so much? Oh my god! You must be arguing against me because I am Jewish! wtf!! :roll:

I'm fully aware of all the other groups that suffered in the Holocaust, deafskeptic. But segregation in the US is not the same as the Holocaust in Europe. Just because Jews in the US were excluded from country clubs in the South doesn't mean they had the same experiences as blacks in the south...

Did you not have to take a debate class or English class?

Sure. But I said the two things were not the same. They aren't the same. That's my point. This is why you need to debate on merits and not what you think gets the best reaction. Like I said, Caroline, it's about liberty. Instead of you insisting that I don't know my history, why don't you...

Discrimination is bad all around, AlleyCat, would you really liken the Holocaust to segregation? I wouldn't. The root causes may be similar, but the end results are different. Like I said, apples and oranges. Both fruits, both are stuck in a fruit salad, but an apple orchard is not the same as...