Why do people call America FREE when it's not?

Liebling:-))) said:
I can see that we begin to talk about cops here... :eek3: I have another crazy new about US Police Military in caserne where I work... I learn about this few minutes ago as I was on the middle to type my thread about my son's vacation in Rome, Italy.

I am total speechless when my co-worker *G* told me at few minutes ago.

One of my co-workers who work same Divison as *G* & me is eye-withnessed this morning. One German lady, we know well work at other caserne as us. We often contact over work issues. She married to an American solider who just leave Germany for Iraq. She use her husband's car on her way to caserne where she work. Unfortunlately she speed more than 30 in the caserne. US Police Military stopped her. She accept her own responsible for ignore the speed signal. They asked her for her ID. No problem - Again, they asked her for her driving liescne... She was like :ugh3: and do what they say... She showed them her driving liescne... Guess what? They said that it's not American driving liescne but German driving liescne and then accused her for driving illegal on American car... This is criminal offense. She was like :shock: and explain them that she borrow her husband's car because her car is in garage and then explain again that the car is not belong US Army but her and her husband. They ignored her and cuffed her front of her co-workers... The gossip spread out real fast.. Her mother also work in the same building as us as well... Her office is few doors away from our office.
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I don't understand. Germans aren't allowed to drive American cars? Was her name on the registration and/or base sticker?


I said to her that US Police Military forget quickly that we are in Germany, not America.
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The U.S. military usually enforce American driving laws on foreign bases. It depends on the agreement between countries. For example, if an American base is located in a country that doesn't enforce seat belt laws, the American military can enforce seat belt laws on the American base.
 
In my personal, move to Canada will solve on some part of my personal issue, plus deaf lifestyle in Canada is alot different than USA does and not good as in USA.
 
Reba said:
I don't understand. Germans aren't allowed to drive American cars? Was her name on the registration and/or base sticker?
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US soliders and family who station in Germany, decide for US or German License plate. Many Americans are for US License plate and use US insurance on their car as private, not US Army (the reason they prefer US plate because they don´t have to pay German tax if they want to own German license plate.)

Accord US Army Regulation: It´s legal to use US army´s car with US license plate only if you own US driving license, not German driving license. German workers/employees use US Army´s car instead of their own car for travel to any casernes, seminar for important meetings, repair at US families houses, etc... They are obligate to apply for get American driving license, then take US driving lessons first. We will get in trouble with US Army Regulation if we use US Army´s car illegal without own US driving licesne. We know US Army Regulation for a long time but my co-worker´s situtation is total different because the car with US plate, she use is belong to her husband as private, not US Army. We were total surprised and didn´t know that it´s an illegal for Germans to use their US spouses´car without own US driving licesne as private person either. The car, she use is under her husband´s name because he is an American and insure at American company... But... but..but it make no difference because they are official married. Here in Germany, I can use my hubby´s car under his name or he can use my car under my name either... Of course police stopped me and check my ID and driving license/registration. I told them that it´s my husband´s car. It´s okay with them instead of cuff me for use my husband´s car under his own name. We are total surprised to learn about this for a first time yesterday. We were total blaffed. We beleive that it´s MP (US Military Police )´s mistake to cuff her and treat her crime. (Wait & See what happened)... MP should ask her in manner way to go MP´s station with them instead of cuff her in rough way when she did nothing to MP but tried to explain them. It was happened IN US Army´s property.


The U.S. military usually enforce American driving laws on foreign bases. It depends on the agreement between countries. For example, if an American base is located in a country that doesn't enforce seat belt laws, the American military can enforce seat belt laws on the American base.
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MP and German police work together only if the problem between US and German outside of US Army casernes (vehicle accidents, etc ). MP have to obey German Traffic Law when they are outside of US Army casernes. Their job task is IN US Army casernes... If they feel that Germans did something illegal in their property then call German Police... They (MP) can ticket Germans for wrong car park, speed or whatever in their property without call German Police. (It never happened for years until yesterday for a first time)...
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Liebling:-))) said:
US soliders and family who station in Germany, decide for US or German License plate. Many Americans are for US License plate and use US insurance on their car as private, not US Army (the reason they prefer US plate because they don´t have to pay German tax if they want to own German license plate.)

Accord US Army Regulation: It´s legal to use US army´s car with US license plate only if you own US driving license, not German driving license. German workers/employees use US Army´s car instead of their own car for travel to any casernes, seminar for important meetings, repair at US families houses, etc... They are obligate to apply for get American driving license, then take US driving lessons first. We will get in trouble with US Army Regulation if we use US Army´s car illegal without own US driving licesne.
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When you say, "US Army" car do you mean an official military staff vehicle, not a personal vehicle?


We know US Army Regulation for a long time but my co-worker´s situtation is total different because the car with US plate, she use is belong to her husband as private, not US Army. We were total surprised and didn´t know that it´s an illegal for Germans to use their US spouses´car without own US driving licesne as private person either. The car, she use is under her husband´s name because he is an American and insure at American company...
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Ah, so she was driving a personal vehicle. OK. So she is listed as a covered driver on her husband's car insurance for that car. Did she take the special driving lessons that are required? (I'm also curious why Germans need to take American driving lessons; how do they differ?)


(Wait & See what happened)... MP should ask her in manner way to go MP´s station with them instead of cuff her in rough way when she did nothing to MP but tried to explain them. It was happened IN US Army´s property.
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Yes, that's a good idea, to get all the facts, and to wait and see what happens before making a judgment.


MP and German police work together only if the problem between US and German outside of US Army casernes (vehicle accidents, etc). MP have to obey German Traffic Law when they are outside of US Army casernes. Their job task is IN US Army casernes... If they feel that Germans did something illegal in their property then call German Police... They (MP) can ticket Germans for wrong car park, speed or whatever in their property without call German Police. (It never happened for years until yesterday for a first time)...
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Like you said, this happened on US Army property, so they followed their law, not German law.

I'm glad that this problem is rare.

I know the MP's have to be especially careful about people and cars since the terrorism threat recently is high for American bases in Germany.
 
Maria said:
How come we need a cell phone in a car ? In old times, teens were able to chat with their grandmas/grandpas/parents without a cell phone, but now - know what happens ? They don't even chat with each other anymore, because of teens are usin' cell phones nowdays. Teens are chattin' with their friends, more important than their grandparents & parents. How would THAT make them to feel ? :(
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That's what is called "a sign of the times"
 
Maria said:
And, I have another thing to say about the cops....

Cops are usin' tasers nowdays - not like in old times. They are usin' them to hurt American citizens if, they refused to show ID or whatever the cops ask them to. That's violatin' American citizens' Bill of Rights. The American citizens have their rights to take their 5th Amendment, if they refuse to show or tell their names.

Does that means we call this America a freedom country ? I think not. And, how much the taser's electric is now ? 50, 000 volt or more or has it been increasin' than before ? :hmm:
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Cops have always employed tactics to deal with un-cooperative people. Tazers might be the lesser of all evils. Before tazers you could be beaten down with a night stick or have pepper spray in your face. The tazer is probably the best protection for the police and the most humane. Having said that I do know that some cops abuse their power but lets hope that is not the majority. And be clear that once you have been read your rights then yes, you have the right to remain silent. Until then you better do what the cops are telling you.
 
Reba said:
We don't have that warning in USA microwave ovens either. It's a fake story. :roll:
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Maybe we should have warnings for the woman who was arrested this summer for putiing her infant inthe microwave.
 
It's sad to see this topic. If I generate enough steam about America and what she stands for and post it here, I sincerely hope that Alex and the moderators love America enough to not close this thread. Lol!
 
jillio said:
Maybe we should have warnings for the woman who was arrested this summer for putiing her infant inthe microwave.
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Warnings don't stop people who have evil intentions.
 
Tousi said:
It's sad to see this topic. If I generate enough steam about America and what she stands for and post it here, I sincerely hope that Alex and the moderators love America enough to not close this thread. Lol!
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:lol: Well, they already closed my thread !
 
rockdrummer said:
Cops have always employed tactics to deal with un-cooperative people. Tazers might be the lesser of all evils. Before tazers you could be beaten down with a night stick or have pepper spray in your face. The tazer is probably the best protection for the police and the most humane. Having said that I do know that some cops abuse their power but lets hope that is not the majority. And be clear that once you have been read your rights then yes, you have the right to remain silent. Until then you better do what the cops are telling you.
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Well, the way I see it - I don't think it is fair for the cops to have MORE freedom by usin' tasers than the American citizens when they have to give in their freedom by violatin' their Bill of Rights. What happened to the Constitution nowdays ? Is the Constitution still good or not anymore ? If, the American citizens protest to say " Treason ! " They will be arrested just for sayin' that. :ugh3:

I don't think the tasers are more safer nowdays. It breaks down the nerves from standin'. And, even it could cause bystanders/onlookers some emotions just for watchin' what the cops are doin'. They will scream at the cops to stop or sayin' somethin' that the cops are wrong. Supposely, if I pick one of the videos that show what the cops did to American citizens... I bet you that some ADers will say somethin' against the cops for doin' that. They will be :pissed: and, then the cops will use that on them ( American citizens ), too because of the emotional will cause chaos. I think that's wrong.

I don't know which one is more safer to make bystanders/onlookers less emotional... but, taser ? The arc is increasin'. I checked the website about the taser's volt ( arc ) the other day and the volt is up to 950,000. That's pretty dangerous weapon. I know you are right about the cops abusin' their power. But, does that means they have the right to use the tasers on American citizens ? It would make me to think that the cops are corrupted nowdays.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Interesting, I think German health service is better than France. More clean and well care than France health service... My son had an accident in Paris few years ago. Frenchman and German lady from Disneyland accompanied us to hospitail. The atmsphsere in hospitail remind me of England. We waited for 4 hours in waiting room... finally my son got X-ray and no bone fractures on his arm... I find interesting that you compared France with England as I compared German with France.
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I've never been to Germany so I wouldn't know what the health service is like there but the French Health service is better then here in Britian.

This is a discrimination... :pissed:
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I know. I'm still trying to change this.

Yes, that's right - you just fresh my memory about blind organization in America. I think it's blind organization. My British deaf friend who have very short sight and visit to different states in America where the Blind group attend every year and said that she loves it and claim that US blind organization is better than UK blind organization... She was accompanied to America every year with her hearing daughter. (Opal know who they are). Anyway, she died at old age at years ago.
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That sounds good. I've never been to USA so wouldn't know what they like but from what I've read they sound much better.
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Reba said:
When you say, "US Army" car do you mean an official military staff vehicle, not a personal vehicle?
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Yes, it's duty vehicle, not private vehicle.


Ah, so she was driving a personal vehicle. OK. So she is listed as a covered driver on her husband's car insurance for that car. Did she take the special driving lessons that are required? (I'm also curious why Germans need to take American driving lessons; how do they differ?)
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It look like that she has to take US driving lesson as private person, not just as duty person which we know for a long time that it suppose to be for duty person... Those situtation wakes many Germans up and doubt either MP did correct about private person... like what I said before... wait and see what happeend...

Yes, we ask that question like what you ask me here many times... All what we get the answer is "Accord US Army regulation". :dunno:

Yes, that's a good idea, to get all the facts, and to wait and see what happens before making a judgment.
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We only made a judgement what and how MP treat her because it's not correct. We wondering to ourselves either it's forbid to try to explain or convince police like that? Look the example about British man, we met at month ago who tried to explain/convince US police.. He expected they would help him instead of pull their gun and cuffed him and then put him in jail for one week...

We accept the word from eye-withnessed who see everything and hear their communication. It's not normal what and how MP did to her. They should ask her to come with them to MP's station to make statement etc... and call German police on her if they feel those case is serious.

Like you said, this happened on US Army property, so they followed their law, not German law.

I'm glad that this problem is rare.
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If the case is serious like drugs, thief, terrorist, illegal, etc then MP are obligate to call German police on Germans or legal immration (non-american citizions...) If there're just ticket for speed or wrong car park in US property then no necassary to call German police... It's wrong of US MP to cuff Germans when they did nothing (no even tempt to fight, weapons, swear bad language, etc). German Police can't do anything if US MP cuff Americans in their own property... US MP or police can do what they want with people in America, not here in Germany.

I bet she will file a lawsuit against MP for bodily injury, humiliation etc...

We haven't any update about her yet... I will update as soon as we get new about her...


I know the MP's have to be especially careful about people and cars since the terrorism threat recently is high for American bases in Germany.
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But they should not make a quick judge and jump like this when anyone did nothing to them.
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rockdrummer said:
Cops have always employed tactics to deal with un-cooperative people. Tazers might be the lesser of all evils. Before tazers you could be beaten down with a night stick or have pepper spray in your face. The tazer is probably the best protection for the police and the most humane. Having said that I do know that some cops abuse their power but lets hope that is not the majority. And be clear that once you have been read your rights then yes, you have the right to remain silent. Until then you better do what the cops are telling you.
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Sure, the people do what the cops says but... is it forbid when the people tried to explain/convince the cops in polite/manner way?

Do the people has the right to say no if the cops want to go in to look around your house without court order?
 
Reba, I forget to edit to add something...

About driving licesne.

My hubby own international driving license which mean that he allow to rent the car from Europe and other countries. He applied his first international driving license before visit to Australia with us for holiday in 2001. I only own Europe driving licesne. I am not allow to drive when I am in America because I didn't own international driving license. For Americans who stationed in Germany, they are obliagte to take driving lesson to learn about German Traffic law but for my co-worker's situation is different because she own German driving license and drive in Germany, not America... that's because she use her husband's private car with US plate... :roll:
 
American - Is burning the American Flag offensive and put the arson to jail?
 
Opal said:
American - Is burning the American Flag offensive and put the arson to jail?
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Yup, in some part of area but really dunno about name of area that ban on burn the US flag.
 
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