Language Skills of Children with Early Cochlear Implantation.

R2D2 said:
I don't discount that sign doesn't have any usefulness, even for a HOHer but was rather saying that for a HOHer the ease of getting early language in an oral form is much greater than for a profoundly deaf child.

So in the US even babies don't get their hearing aids paid for by insurance or medicare? That's disgraceful.
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R2D2,
If a family is able to quaify for medical, medical does pay for hearing aids. Medical if for families that do not have medical insurance and are low income. When my children were first diagnosis we were very low income and so we had medical and they pay for both of my children's hearing aids.
Now more and more insurance are beginning to cover hearing aids. My insurance does not but I have a teacher friend who her insurance does. It depends but just recently did some insurance are beginning to cover hearings.
Almost all insurance plans now cover implants. It is kind of wierd.
 
rick48 said:
You are truly one of the most pathetic people around.

That comment alone re-affirms why we would never expose our children to people like you. You are the complete antithesis of the many caring and giving people we have met in the deaf community.
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You are so right. And I glad that my children are now older so I can warn them about people like Jillo.
You are also so right about the many caring and giving and accepting people we have come across in the Deaf culture. You go from one extreme to the other.
 
jillio said:
Which just goes to show where your concern lies. You have no interest in engaging in a reasonable discussionto learn anything....your whole focus is on proving someone else wrong simply because you have decided that you don't like that person. Childish and immature, not to mention vindictive.

Jillo you use this word vindictive to describe Rick. How about using that word to describe what you have posted about me. Remember how you mention that you should send a grammar sample to my boss so that I could lose my job. Or also how you mention if the court system would get ahold of my comments here how we could lose our case. Isn't that what vindictive means.

Typical of an oral only parent. Insecure in your methodology, so you feel you have to jsutify it at every turn, and when you can't do it through fact, you try to do so through intimidation. You would be much better off if you spent your time attempting to actually undertand the issues of a deaf child, so that you would be able to do something to change the situation, than spending all of your time justifying your decision to implant your child.
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Jillo take a look at yourself. What you are calling other people is what you practice yourself.
 
Cloggy said:
It's SOME educators, it's SOME researchers, it's SOME psychologists, it's SOME sociologists, and most of all, it's the SOME adult adoloscent and SOME adult children of these parents. For God's sake, pay attention to what these deaf people are telling you.
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I have.... have you?[/QUOTE]

Really wonderful points, Cloggy. SOME is the key word.
 
rick48 said:
Why wouldn't we, never too late to teach an old dog some new tricks.
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I actually do know some sign language. I cannot fluently speak with a deaf adult but I can with children and am learning more and more everyday.
So Jillo what would you say about me. When I take my children to deaf event with their deaf peers, I sign with them to the best of my ability.
 
jillio said:
Exactly. A while back, I attempted an explanation of the very subtle pushes toward oral language that hearing parents give their deaf children, often unconsciously. Something as simple as simply responding to a signed question from a child, but responding with praise when the same question is oral. Or signing only to the child, and not in the presence of the child. Small things like this send a very subtle message about language preferences, and which one brings favor from the parent.

My way, quite obviously, with my son is not the way that many agree with. However, I can say I always signed in my son's presence, no matter who I was speaking to. My home was very much bilingual. As a result, my son assumed I was deaf until he was five. Judging from that, I'd say he got a pretty clear message that some people sign (deaf) and some people don't sign (hearing). But the message that one was preferred over the other? Nope. That message wan't there.
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Jillo the same thing happen with our children. When my daughter was six she was combing my hair and said mommy where your hearing aids. She also thought I was deaf like she was.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
Did you read this part Jillo where it one size does not fit all. Do you understand what it means? It means every child is different and so decisions need to based on that child and what that child needs not what you think all deaf children need.

Rick What an amazing post. Really great information
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Did you read the part where Marshark's studies all indicate that all deaf children, implanted, non-implanted, HA users, and unassisted, do better in a sign plus speech environment than in an oral only environment. Waht is your response to that?
 
jackiesolorzano said:
You are so right. And I glad that my children are now older so I can warn them about people like Jillo.
You are also so right about the many caring and giving and accepting people we have come across in the Deaf culture. You go from one extreme to the other.
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Once again, jackie, if you can't discuss the topic using intelligence and knowledge, don't bother to respond. Your constant personal insults used as a way to divert the topic that you refuse to discuss due to your worful ignorance is getting very very old.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
Jillo take a look at yourself. What you are calling other people is what you practice yourself.
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It's not vindictive,a t all, jackie. I ahve no desire nor intent to do you harm as a person, but to discredit your oralist viewpoint. Two very different situations. However, your aoralist views are so much a part of your identity that you would appear incapable of separating the person from the theory.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
Jillo the same thing happen with our children. When my daughter was six she was combing my hair and said mommy where your hearing aids. She also thought I was deaf like she was.
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Ahhh....here's the difference. Your daughter associated deafness with hearing aids...or put more bluntly, an attempt to correct the hearing loss and become more hearing. My son associated deafness not with auditory perception, but with language used. It ahd nothing to do with hearing or not hearing, but with the use of sign and the use of oral language. I don't expect you to understand the difference between the two perceptions, as you seem incapable of doing so. But trust me, there is a huge difference.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
I actually do know some sign language. I cannot fluently speak with a deaf adult but I can with children and am learning more and more everyday.
So Jillo what would you say about me. When I take my children to deaf event with their deaf peers, I sign with them to the best of my ability.
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I would say that as your eldest child is a sophomore in high school, that you should ahve long ago learned to communicate at the level of a signing adult. You've had, what, 16 years?
 
but was rather saying that for a HOHer the ease of getting early language in an oral form is much greater than for a profoundly deaf child.
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Oh agreed. Most hoh kids can very easily aquire speech as their first language. However there are some hoh kids who have apraxia or other conditons that inhibit speech. (like tracheostomies)
Cloggy, Jillo is right. I'm hoh both with and without my aids. Although I can hear very well with my aids, its not the three dimensional hearing (even with bilateral aids/implants) that hearing people have. Not by a long shot.
 
jillio said:
I would say that as your eldest child is a sophomore in high school, that you should ahve long ago learned to communicate at the level of a signing adult. You've had, what, 16 years?
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But why would I need to learn to communicate with my daughter by using sign language I communicate with my daughter through oral language. I use the signing skills I have to communicate with her deaf friends that were raised through oral language.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
But why would I need to learn to communicate with my daughter by using sign language I communicate with my daughter through oral language. I use the signing skills I have to communicate with her deaf friends that were raised through oral language.
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That's the whole point,jackie. sighs.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
But why would I need to learn to communicate with my daughter by using sign language I communicate with my daughter through oral language. I use the signing skills I have to communicate with her deaf friends that were raised through oral language.
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Supposed your daughter became blind tomorrow, how would you communicate with her??
 
jackiesolorzano said:
But why would I need to learn to communicate with my daughter by using sign language I communicate with my daughter through oral language. I use the signing skills I have to communicate with her deaf friends that were raised through oral language.
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I believe Jackie is saying this;

But why would I need to learn to communicate with my daughter by using sign language?

I communicate with my daughter through oral language.

I use the signing skills I have to communicate with her deaf friends that were not raised through oral language.
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(Jackie, just type slowly and reread before you submit :) )
 
Boult said:
I believe Jackie is saying this;




(Jackie, just type slowly and reread before you submit :) )
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It has been a couple fo touvh days. My mind has been on a lot of things like making sure the school is ready for my kids. Today was their first day back.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
But why would I need to learn to communicate with my daughter by using sign language I communicate with my daughter through oral language. I use the signing skills I have to communicate with her deaf friends that were raised through oral language.
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Iam :confused: u use sign with oral deaf kids? If so, why not with your students? What's the harm especialy when it comes to education?. My class this year seems more oral than ASL and one boy doesn't understand ASL very well but I do switch to spoken English to meet the gaps he missed in ASL cuz he just learned it last year. Like I said, that's why using the Bi BI approach can ensure that all the gaps r filled in and nobody missed out anything.
 
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