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Well, since reading this improper behavior and ungodly behaviors, and not, only that, do I make them do what they want to do? No way jose. It's not what I want to do. You can cast a stone as much you want. But, you think, I go out bragging by saying I'M GAY AND PROUD OF IT? No, I don't. I do thank the Lord for adjusting me and helping me thru the valleys of life and spiritual warfares. I've been fighting, and fall and stand up and fall and stand up and fall. But your mouth ranting, by saying, Christlovedeaf should be stone to death, he is not a true christians and all other ungodly comments of "pharisee's" reputations. And believe it or not, one straight guy, came and asked me about Christ. He gave his heart to Christ last night. It was a blessings. He said, I'm not like everyone else and even my partner, right now lately, my partner and I have discuss this situation of the matter. He said that is the reason I learned alot about Christ more than ever. I told him, it is not I, but God Himself. But I will not hold bitter and judgement against you as the way you are toward me. God work in all mankind in Christ and enable the struggling warfares. And that's what He is doing in my life, whether you like it or not. (typing out of hurt by the timidating, insulting attitude from you)
 
christlovedeaf said:
Romans 1 as you quoted, those who are gay does not mean God gave them up. Verses before that says, God gave them up, bec they have no thanksgiving to God and lot of bigotry attitudes. In Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed bec of all kinds of evil, but Angels blinding them is because trying to come out as a forceful act or rape or violent behaivor which lead the Angels to blinding them. But the problem is, many condone their behavior other than homosexuals, or fornicators or etc. But as I read throughout the OT, God destroyed all kinds of viles, gossippers, and other evil tongues. Problem is alot are associating with gossippers and two faces which Paul mentioned has nothing to do with them. But problem is, many focusing on other people's weaknesses other than their own, which causes lot of "forest fires"within the churches which is still out of control. And all the honors, and rewards from the church for those who are malicious gossippers, two faces, but those who are struggling like alcholism, or sex sins been banned, that's where something isnt right. But as for me, I keep my life in the Lord and guide me thru the valleys.
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However, why would God describe homosexuality as "vile affections" if it were not as such? Why would it be named among many other sins and put int the same classification as sin? Or maybe point it out as one of the crimes of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Also, Timothy points out that people are to be husbands to a WIFE. In the greek, Paul took the care to use words that designated what gender each one was. The Bible even uses the greek term "Porneos" (from which we get our word, pornography) to describe homosexuality as unnatural. Why would the Bible describe something as such if it were not sin?
 
Yiffzer said:
I am aware of both sides' arguments supporting homosexuality as an environmental issue and an instinctual issue. If we look at animals, we see that some of them perform homosexual acts. Surely they aren't "influenced" into doing it, now are they? But when it comes to religion, human beings are to be above animals. We are not to look at animals and make examples of them. Instead, we are to be "better" or different from them.

The gay lifestyle is really an environmental thing. For example, if you raised a child in an entirely male community with absolutely no females around, and you taught him that males love and have sex with each other, that child would probably not reject that idea. They would most likely practice that belief and perhaps reject the beauty of the female anatomy. This is a farfetched example though.

The point is, you can convince someone, especially with reason, that being gay is okay. You can convince someone to become gay if only they'd "let themselves go". You can convince someone to become gay if they'd "try it out". It is easy to convince people, nullifying their senses, into believing a false idea. There are some gay people who claim that they had "no choice but to be gay". They felt that their body naturally made them that way - to be gay. Yet, having the experience of "close encounters" with gay people, I can easily dismiss this because I know how easy it is to become gay if only I could be convinced.

This isn't to say that gay people are "stupid". Some are and some aren't. They just find justification to be gay. Just like Christians find justification to believe in Jesus Christ even though there's no solid reliability of the Bible. Just like Muslims finding justification to commit suicide bombing when Islam doesn't accept such a thing. Just like I, finding justification to spend hours on this forum when I'm not even doing school work! :p
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I would agree with this, all except the last part. However off-topic it is, the Bible is considered reliable by Christians for various reasons, depending on their situations. Dr Scott Carrol sees the Bible as reliable from his own experience in his doctorate's field (archaeology). Lee Strobell finds it as reliable from his investigation as an atheist trying to debunk the Bible (funny fact that he proved the Bible in an attempt to write a book debunking the Bible). I find it reliable because of its historical accuracy. However, since this is off of the actual topic, if you like, make a new forum and I will join in.
 
He was an Atheist, ohh... 25 years ago? So he's always been a Christian. Otherwise, if you can tell me the exact name of the book he wrote.

As for the reliability of the Bible, I'm not talking about anything of science or history. I'm talking about the fact the Bible's gone through many changes that it's radically different compared to centuries ago. There is already a thread about this. "Who is God?" No one has yet proven to me that it is reliable.
 
I like what Oswald Chambers described, who we are. When Christ became human like us, He had unfamiliar feelings and etc, which He has experience temptations. I do NOT agree we should have same sex relationship as God approval. It is a sin. Same as I do NOT agree if a man dwell in his thought of a woman lustfully, bec it is also a sin. I do NOT agree, we just human, nobody is perfect, when we gossip. I do NOT agree, we can unforgive someone's mistakes or treating or etc, but that will be unforgiven by God. Don't misunderstood the way I live, or think or believe. Each of us has accoutablity of every thoughts, what we see, what we say, how we act and etc. God helps each one of us and knows our weaknesses, there is NO exceptional. No, I am not trying to be modesty. I have met too many people are hurting deeply, and each has different circumstances. No wonder why God is serious about marriage to prevent sex sins. Anyone interfere or spouse mistreating is costly. God knows each of us. I'm not bitter or upset or anything like that, but misjudging me and casting stone attitude is unhealthy parts. But still am forgiven and God still working in and on me. smile
 
about disability, like a nazi to me who like to use christianity.

This is as the same as a man who say, See here, the bible say I can abuse my wife, when it says nothing like that (the bible says that husband should treat their wives as themselves, so therefore, if he doesn't like pains and hurts, then he shouldn't be abusing her at all). The bible teach husbands to love their wives just like Jesus loved the sinners and died for them. And the wives should submit to the husband just like saved christian should submit to the Lord.
 
christlovedeaf said:
I like what Oswald Chambers described, who we are. When Christ became human like us, He had unfamiliar feelings and etc, which He has experience temptations. I do NOT agree we should have same sex relationship as God approval. It is a sin. Same as I do NOT agree if a man dwell in his thought of a woman lustfully, bec it is also a sin. I do NOT agree, we just human, nobody is perfect, when we gossip. I do NOT agree, we can unforgive someone's mistakes or treating or etc, but that will be unforgiven by God. Don't misunderstood the way I live, or think or believe. Each of us has accoutablity of every thoughts, what we see, what we say, how we act and etc. God helps each one of us and knows our weaknesses, there is NO exceptional. No, I am not trying to be modesty. I have met too many people are hurting deeply, and each has different circumstances. No wonder why God is serious about marriage to prevent sex sins. Anyone interfere or spouse mistreating is costly. God knows each of us. I'm not bitter or upset or anything like that, but misjudging me and casting stone attitude is unhealthy parts. But still am forgiven and God still working in and on me. smile
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May God bless you :) Sounds like you really humble yourself before God.
 
nightcrickets said:
May God bless you :) Sounds like you really humble yourself before God.
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Thanks, nightcrickets, that means alot to me. I try everyway to be and that is what Christ called me to do. And that's what I do for others who have gone thru alot.
 
Yiffzer said:
He was an Atheist, ohh... 25 years ago? So he's always been a Christian. Otherwise, if you can tell me the exact name of the book he wrote.

As for the reliability of the Bible, I'm not talking about anything of science or history. I'm talking about the fact the Bible's gone through many changes that it's radically different compared to centuries ago. There is already a thread about this. "Who is God?" No one has yet proven to me that it is reliable.
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All the notesthe books are based on were written in an attempt to debunk Christianity. Or have you not done research beyond the fact that he is a Christianity? However, the debate here has little to nothing to do with this post, so this is all I will post here.
 
I am not Christian myself, but I have some acknowledge of Christianity. Homosexuality is a sin yes, and it is forgiveable. It's not like murder which are hardly to forgive. All I can say is just follow the ten commendants and you will be fine if you are Christian or any kind of root from Christianity (Mormons, Catholic, etc)

Also in my religion, Theravada Buddhism, they believe that homosexuality is nothing wrong, but craves could cause the suffer and become evil. For example:

One boy was in love with older guy, and they date and then become happily together. This one is good way, why? Love. They will be happy forever and ever.

Other boy was into older guy's body, and they only be together for sex. This is a bad way, why? That boy will feel like used by older guy, and older guy will feel like that boy is a doll for him to fuck with. No feelings, but craves (horny, ne?)

It applies to many different things like alcohol, tobacco, pornography, gamblings, many things that could cause craves (as addiction the same meaning).

Do not argue with me about Theravada Buddhism, I am just inpsired by his philosphy.
 
Buddhism offers nothing new when compared to other religions though.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
I am not Christian myself, but I have some acknowledge of Christianity. Homosexuality is a sin yes, and it is forgiveable. It's not like murder which are hardly to forgive. All I can say is just follow the ten commendants and you will be fine if you are Christian or any kind of root from Christianity (Mormons, Catholic, etc)

Also in my religion, Theravada Buddhism, they believe that homosexuality is nothing wrong, but craves could cause the suffer and become evil. For example:

One boy was in love with older guy, and they date and then become happily together. This one is good way, why? Love. They will be happy forever and ever.

Other boy was into older guy's body, and they only be together for sex. This is a bad way, why? That boy will feel like used by older guy, and older guy will feel like that boy is a doll for him to fuck with. No feelings, but craves (horny, ne?)

It applies to many different things like alcohol, tobacco, pornography, gamblings, many things that could cause craves (as addiction the same meaning).

Do not argue with me about Theravada Buddhism, I am just inpsired by his philosphy.
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In someway, its true. Homosexuality is a sin, but the problem most christians does not have a taste or experience the struggling which is easy for them to condemn and to judge and use the verses without the knowledge of the purpose of the written, like you quote what Buddha said, Paul said," The thing I want to do (that is want to please God), but didnt do it, and the thing I know it's wrong I don't want to do, I do it, bec the flesh still there, but thanks be to God the Father thru our Lord Jesus Christ of His victory." Each of us has crave of any kinds--- sex of all kinds, uncontrollable tongues and etc. What Buddha described is similar what Jesus is saying. Good thing you brought that up and that is the reason I share likewise, in christianity perspective. smile
 
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Yiffzer said:
Buddhism offers nothing new when compared to other religions though.
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This is second you have been bulling on me in this forum, what's wrong?

And plus, I thought your banned? I guess bulling on someone else was the reason...
 
Doesn't matter whether people believe it is a sin or not, everyone has a right to have the option of marriage to protect their loved ones. It is not a privilege, but a right for everyone. Should it be okay to exclude someone from that much legal protection, just because the person has a disability or a partner who happens to be the same sex?
 
PuyoPiyo said:
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This is second you have been bulling on me in this forum, what's wrong?

And plus, I thought your banned? I guess bulling on someone else was the reason...
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I'm not "bulling". Buddhism drew most of its philosophies from Judaism.

I'm banned? Okay.
 
Yiffzer said:
I'm not "bulling". Buddhism drew most of its philosophies from Judaism.

I'm banned? Okay.
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I hate to say this, but I have to agree with Yiffy. If Yiffy was banned, don't you think his title would have said, "Banned" not "BANNED - LOL, K"
 
Liza said:
Doesn't matter whether people believe it is a sin or not, everyone has a right to have the option of marriage to protect their loved ones. It is not a privilege, but a right for everyone. Should it be okay to exclude someone from that much legal protection, just because the person has a disability or a partner who happens to be the same sex?
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Disability, I am fine with, but homosexual marriage I object to because that was the first step Canada took, and now they imprison preachers for preaching against homosexuality. Using that as pretense, I say no to gay marriage. The law reads that marriage is between a man and a woman. You have the right to get married to a person of the opposite sex. The reason for that law is the same reason for other laws that seem arbitrarily from religion, because in each case where a law of that sort was removed, the country quickly moved down the same road as Canada. With gay activists being like that, I don't trust that I will be protecting anyone.
 
Yiffzer said:
I'm not "bulling". Buddhism drew most of its philosophies from Judaism.

I'm banned? Okay.
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Judaism follow the old testament of bible, Buddhism don't. Buddhism was founded in India with crowd of Hinduism, I don't see any Buddhism that "formed" from Judaism.

And I am sorry for misunderstanding about your "BANNED - LOL K."
 
sculleywr said:
Disability, I am fine with, but homosexual marriage I object to because that was the first step Canada took, and now they imprison preachers for preaching against homosexuality. Using that as pretense, I say no to gay marriage. The law reads that marriage is between a man and a woman. You have the right to get married to a person of the opposite sex. The reason for that law is the same reason for other laws that seem arbitrarily from religion, because in each case where a law of that sort was removed, the country quickly moved down the same road as Canada. With gay activists being like that, I don't trust that I will be protecting anyone.
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I am not sure I understand what you mean. Are you saying you object to queer marriage because freedom of speech is not protected?
 
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