Juneau gonna be dumped?

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My comments: The reason why that too many people complain that Juneau is only accessed by boat or plane to the capital. They're debating on moving to the larger metro area with road access.

Cybered, do you know more about it? Since you know lot about Alaska. :P


Is Juneau about to be dumped?


JUNEAU, Alaska - Is this some kind of dark plot to dump Juneau as Alaska's capital?

Political pundits drew their own interpretations this week after Gov.-elect Sarah Palin announced she would buck an unbroken tradition and take the oath of office outside the capital city.

She will be sworn in Monday in Fairbanks, more than 600 miles north of Juneau, the nation's most inaccessible state capital.

Palin, Alaska's first woman governor and at 42 the youngest ever to hold the office, said she chose Fairbanks to mark the 50th anniversary of the ratification of the Alaska Constitution, which was drafted in Fairbanks three years before statehood in 1959.

Her gesture, however, sent a shiver of anxiety through Alaska's southeastern region.

"Juneau, beware; it's the first step," warned an editorial in the Ketchikan Daily News, giving voice to a nagging fear that Palin's real agenda is to move the capital from Juneau, population 31,000.

Those who want to move the seat of government often complain that Juneau is too far from Alaska's population centers and reachable only by plane or boat.

Lawmakers must drive several hundred miles through interior Alaska and Canada to catch a ferry to Juneau. Those flying in are sometimes diverted as far as Seattle because of Juneau's cloudy and windy weather.

Almost since statehood, Juneau has fended off repeated attempts to move the seat of government to more northern and populated areas of the state.

"And that makes us try to parse every act and every word in a way that helps us figure out what the future of Juneau may be," said state Sen. Kim Elton, a Juneau Democrat.

While he applauded Palin's reason for holding the ceremony in Fairbanks, he also had worries, given Palin's anti-Juneau sentiment not that long ago.

Palin hails from Wasilla, part of the burgeoning Matanuska-Susitna Borough, a region just north of Anchorage that has long coveted the capital. In fact, the borough has already mapped out a location for a new legislative hall on 1,000 acres of undeveloped land.

Palin was Wasilla's mayor and backed a failed voter initiative in 2002 that would have moved legislative sessions to either Anchorage, the state's largest city, or Mat-Su Borough, Alaska's fastest-growing area.

Palin spokesman Curtis Smith said she was looking out for the prosperity of her town then.

"Now her job is to be the chief executive officer of all of Alaska and that means addressing the important issues that affect the state, not moving the capital," Smith said.

Juneau was named the capital during territorial days when it was a bustling gold mining town. But construction of the Alaska Highway during World War II changed the state's demographics to favor the northern cities. The building of the trans-Alaska oil pipeline in the 1970s led to another boom that further boosted the populations of Anchorage (278,000) and greater Fairbanks (88,000).

Juneau supporters argue that it should remain the seat of government, since Fairbanks is the academic center of the state and Anchorage is its commercial center.

But more than that, they argue, a move would be costly to the state and devastating to the economy, not only of Juneau, but of the entire southeast panhandle.

Joe Geldhof, a lawyer from Juneau, said he is not worried. Palin bills herself a fiscal conservative, and he said she probably wouldn't approve the cost of moving.

"Juneau should stop speculating and gossiping about what she might do and wait and give her a chance to govern," he said. "Juneau really is neurotic."
 
Hey Sequioas :D

Yeah, I've read about it this mornin'. It's true that Juneau is the most accessible to planes and boats/ferries.

I don't think it is possible to move Juneau to elsewhere since it's been a capital for years. Did you know that Juneau is a sister to Whitehorse, Yukon Terrority in Canada ? I wouldn't worry about it, if Juneau should move or not in despite of rumors/gossip like the lawyer, Joe Geldof said. :)

 
Ah cool. I think they will continue that debate for a while until they find a solution. I saw the map of Juneau and they sure squeezed a city right in front of those mountains and there's no road access linking that city. It's like you can't drive right out of the city or in the city. Interesting.

How is Whitehorse a sister to Juneau? There is road access to Whitehorse compared to Juneau is trapped by the mountains and sea.
 
Ah cool. I think they will continue that debate for a while until they find a solution. I saw the map of Juneau and they sure squeezed a city right in front of those mountains and there's no road access linking that city. It's like you can't drive right out of the city or in the city. Interesting.

How is Whitehorse a sister to Juneau? There is road access to Whitehorse compared to Juneau is trapped by the mountains and sea.

Hello Sequoias,

Sorry that I didn't respond back to you sooner since I was busy in between errands, talkin' to my daughters, my dogs, and everythin'. Gee - busy bee eh ? :lol: Anyways ... I will try my best to find a link to explain about how Whitehorse is a sister to Juneau. And, yes there's a road accessin' to Whitehorse and even a train from Skagway to get there, too. It's called WhitePass & Yukon Route. :)
It was fun ridin' in a train. It climbs up to the highest altitude on the mountains until it arrives to Whitehorse. Very beautiful scenery from Skagway to Whitehorse. There were tellin' about how pioneers have built trails - very hard work and everythin' in old days. There was an old cementery, too - most of them were buried way, way before 1800's. My jaw was dropped when I first laid my eyes on the most beautiful scenery I've ever seen...was when I entered the Whitehorse's soil. That scenery was almost like a heaven. Hard to describe it. You have to see it to understand better than my own words. lol
I will find a few links to show you about Juneau, a sister to Whitehorse, and a few as soon as possible. Ok ? :) Of course, I will not forget your thread here. I will keep that in mind. :hug:
 
Sure thanks, Cybered. I'll keep eye on that thread whenever you post link about the sister towns. It'd be interesting to see how they're sisters.
 
wow... I also bet Juneau lacks access to disablities as well- not sure??? Its up to Alaskans to move Capital city.. why not they have election on that? I also have seen that Alaska State Capitol is ugliest as well (no offense). I am glad that my work is very accessible by buses, cars, trucks, etc....
 
they might move the captial, but it won't hurt the city. It will still grow and everything. If they want to move it for that reason, then they just stupid and stubborn.
 
Hello Sequoias,

Sorry that I didn't respond back to you sooner since I was busy in between errands, talkin' to my daughters, my dogs, and everythin'. Gee - busy bee eh ? :lol: Anyways ... I will try my best to find a link to explain about how Whitehorse is a sister to Juneau. And, yes there's a road accessin' to Whitehorse and even a train from Skagway to get there, too. It's called WhitePass & Yukon Route. :)
It was fun ridin' in a train. It climbs up to the highest altitude on the mountains until it arrives to Whitehorse. Very beautiful scenery from Skagway to Whitehorse. There were tellin' about how pioneers have built trails - very hard work and everythin' in old days. There was an old cementery, too - most of them were buried way, way before 1800's. My jaw was dropped when I first laid my eyes on the most beautiful scenery I've ever seen...was when I entered the Whitehorse's soil. That scenery was almost like a heaven. Hard to describe it. You have to see it to understand better than my own words. lol
I will find a few links to show you about Juneau, a sister to Whitehorse, and a few as soon as possible. Ok ? :) Of course, I will not forget your thread here. I will keep that in mind. :hug:

How about Unalaska? I would like to visit here...

Unalaska don't have mall, Wal-Mart, Target and just nothing but only food store, local restaurant and other services. I can careless about Wal-Mart or Target but order on internet isn't big deal for us.
 
Sure thanks, Cybered. I'll keep eye on that thread whenever you post link about the sister towns. It'd be interesting to see how they're sisters.

You are welcome ! :)
Ok, here are the 2 links I found and hope it helps to understand how they ( Juneau & Whitehorse ) both are sister cities. They both shared the same roads for many travellers.


Juneau, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whitehorse, Yukon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's probably why Juneau is a popular for all travellers from all over the world to use ferries/boats & planes. It would be nice for some ADers to explore Alaska themselves through the website to understand their economics and businesses, if they are interested in wantin' to know about Alaska. ;)

I will post some pics here to show its map sometime tomorrow.
 
wow... I also bet Juneau lacks access to disablities as well- not sure??? Its up to Alaskans to move Capital city.. why not they have election on that? I also have seen that Alaska State Capitol is ugliest as well (no offense). I am glad that my work is very accessible by buses, cars, trucks, etc....

You bet ? :lol: No, Juneau do have access to disabilities. I used to live in Juneau myself. Juneau do have buses, cars, and trucks just like any other city.
 
How about Unalaska? I would like to visit here...

Unalaska don't have mall, Wal-Mart, Target and just nothing but only food store, local restaurant and other services. I can careless about Wal-Mart or Target but order on internet isn't big deal for us.

You are right about not havin' Mall, Wal-mart and Target in Unalaska. Unalaska is an island - about 104 miles long and only 4, 000 people livin' there.
They live on beach foods such as clams, mussels, chitons, crab, limpets, seaweed and sea urchins.... and, berries ( berry pickin' ). If, you want to visit there - then, there are some activities you can enjoy : Berry pickin', hikin' & mountain bikin', skiin' or snow shoein', kayakin', and fishin'. You can fish for halibut, salmon and cod there. And, yes that's all they ( sport ) have in there. :)
 
You are right about not havin' Mall, Wal-mart and Target in Unalaska. Unalaska is an island - about 104 miles long and only 4, 000 people livin' there.
They live on beach foods such as clams, mussels, chitons, crab, limpets, seaweed and sea urchins.... and, berries ( berry pickin' ). If, you want to visit there - then, there are some activities you can enjoy : Berry pickin', hikin' & mountain bikin', skiin' or snow shoein', kayakin', and fishin'. You can fish for halibut, salmon and cod there. And, yes that's all they ( sport ) have in there. :)

Yea, I found out.

Climate in Unalaska is much more rain than most other US cities.

Of course, I love seafood. :)
 
Ok, Sequoias :

I am back with a map of Skagway and Whitehorse. I will type everythin' what it says about the map. I was in White Pass & Yukon Route train and traveled up to 2, 865 feet elevation from Skagway, Alaska to Whitehorse, Yukon Terrority ( Canada ). Can use the ferry from Juneau to get there at Skagway.

110.4 Whitehorse, Y.T.
(via highway) Originally the transfer point from rail to steamboat; today the major transportation, trading and government hub of the Yukon.

67.5 Carcross, Y.T.
Historic Yukon town has a gold rush general store, the steam engine Duchess, and a WP&YR (White Pass & Yukon Route) train station visitors' center.

40.6 Bennett, B.C.
30,000 stampeders spent the winter of 1898-1899, building makeshift rafts and boats to take them across Lake Bennett and down the Yukon River to the goldfields.

27.7 Fraser, B.C.
Transfer location for motorcoach connections to the Klondike Highway. Site of Canadian Customs.

20.4 White Pass Summit
2,865 feet (873 meters). Here at the U.S./Canadian border, mounted police waved on stampeders with a ton of supplies, needed for one year in the north.

19.3 Trail of '98
As the train emerges from the tunnel, see visible remains of this famous trail, a primary route from Skagway to the goldfields.

18.8 Tunnel
In 1969 this 675-foot tunnel was driven through the mountain and a new bridge was built to replace the steel bridge.

18.6 Steel Bridge
Constructed in 1901, this was the tallest cantilever bridge in the world. used until 1969.

17.5 Dead Horse Gulch
3,000 pack animals, victims of neglect by stampeders and overloading, met their end in the stampede of '98.

17.0 Inspiration Point
Seventeen miles up into the mountains from Skagway, you'll have an unparalleled view of Lynn Canal, Mt. Harding and the Chilkat Range. Favorite for early photographers.

16.0 Tunnel Mountain
The yawning chasm of Glacier Gorge, disappears into Tunnel Mountain, 1,000 feet above the floor of the gulch.

14.0 Glacier Station
Once a stopping place for thirsty steam engines on the uphill grade. Railroad section crew lived here and maintained the railbed.

12.3 Heney Station
Named for Michael J. Heney, WP&YR contractor. Freight was transferred down a steep tramway to waiting packhorses at White Pass City in the valley below to be carried to the summit.

11.5 Bridal Veil Falls
Beautiful waterfall cascades 6,000 feet from the glaciers on Mt. Cleveland and Mt. Clifford.

10.4 Black Cross Rock
On August 3, 1898, a blasting accident buried two railroad workers under a 100-ton granite rock. The black cross marks their resting place.

8.8 Buchanan Rock
"On to Alaska with Buchanan" has been a sightseeing attraction for over 70 years. The sign on the far wall of the canyon was painted by the Buchanan Boys Tour Group, brought from Detroit each year to visit Skagway, circa 1920-30.

7.3 Brackett Road
Wagon road was advertised as an "easy" through route across White Pass. The toll was high: 2 cents a pound for freight, $1 for each horse, $10 a wagon.

6.9 Rocky Point
A photo favorite! Excellent view down the lower valley to Skagway, with Mt. Harding and Harding Glacier forming a dramatic backdrop.

5.8 Denver
Crossing the east fork of the Skagway River; nearby Denver Glacier Trail, a favorite locak hike, leads to the base of the glacier. The donated WP&YR red caboose "cabin" can be rented through the U.S. Forest Service.

2.5 Gold Rush Cemetery
Resting place for early Skagway residents, Gold Rush gangster Jefferson Randolph "Soapy" Smith and hero Frank Reid, died in a final shootout.

2.0 Shops
The maintenance shops where the railroad repairs and restores its engines and rolling stock.

0.0 Skagway
From Skagway an army of hopeful gold seekers began the 45-mile trek over White Pass toward the Klondike goldfields.

( Note: You see the nbrs above -- that's for miles, starting zero from Skagway. And, also you can use zoom to close up the map to see the nbrs. )


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For more info : White Pass&Yukon Route, Skagway Alaska
 
Hmmm, looks inteesting. So Whitehorse and Juneau are both government towns and have similar populations, I guess they are sister cities. ;)

Hmmm, that's the route me and my parents and our dog (Alex, yes the moderator's name) went to Alaska back in 1988. It was beautiful but the roads were in bad shape. It was a long trip, wow!
 
Sorry if I offend you... I tought maybe they only access by ferries and planes... Now I understand. I am not sure if Governor still want to move the Capitol outside of Juneeau, and how would they do that? What would they do with Capitol building when the legislature move? Governor's mansion? Who would occupy there?

You bet ? :lol: No, Juneau do have access to disabilities. I used to live in Juneau myself. Juneau do have buses, cars, and trucks just like any other city.
 
Sorry if I offend you... I tought maybe they only access by ferries and planes... Now I understand. I am not sure if Governor still want to move the Capitol outside of Juneeau, and how would they do that? What would they do with Capitol building when the legislature move? Governor's mansion? Who would occupy there?

Nah, you didn't offend me. I am perfectly fine, really. :)

Just have to wait and see how things go. It's up to Alaskan people to decide if, they want to move Juneau or not. Dependin' on their vote. I wouldn't worry about it since I know Juneau has been a capital for years. :)
 
WOW!! I must say that's interesting. Never thought that they'd move the capitol. Its been like that for years yes. It'd be a great big change for the state for sure. Really I think they should leave it where its at. But of course yes up to the people of Alaska:)
 
And now Governor, Sarah Palin, has ordered the cancellation of a contract to build a one-lane, 11-mile gravel road out of Juneau. :aw:
 
You are welcome ! :)
Ok, here are the 2 links I found and hope it helps to understand how they ( Juneau & Whitehorse ) both are sister cities. They both shared the same roads for many travellers.


Juneau, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whitehorse, Yukon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's probably why Juneau is a popular for all travellers from all over the world to use ferries/boats & planes. It would be nice for some ADers to explore Alaska themselves through the website to understand their economics and businesses, if they are interested in wantin' to know about Alaska. ;)

I will post some pics here to show its map sometime tomorrow.

Interesting, I didn't know they are sister cities, I have been in Whitehorse. Looking forward to visiting in Juneau this Summer.
 
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