Religious curiousity.

[Dark-Half]

When one assumes the role of a sinner to protect us from the sinful how does this reflect in your eyes?

I'll elaborate.

A bank robber is about to kill someone, you spot a gun on the floor. Picking up the gun you assume the role of a sinner to protect an innocent and therby shoot him to prevent him from killing a pregant woman who accidently seen his face. It goes against one of the commandments, but it also prevented an innocent woman and BABY from dying against the other guys violation of the commandments.

What about this one?

A soldier dons arms to fight for freedom. A wave of enemies is approaching a small village, you decide to take them out before they can get there and use it as shelter which would later possiblity end up having to destroy the village even with innocent people in to rid them.


It's kinda a weird irony with christian morales. It may not be right to do such things, but inturn you saved lives? Would that justify it? I just thought it'd be something interesting to talk about, sort of like self-sacrifice -- only you're not dying in the other persons steed, but commiting a sin to save one or more lives.

 

[christlovedeaf]

You got the good point there. There are someway can do something to protect as of defense. There are numbers of testimonies in different way during violence crime incident. There are different ways. Like Clumbine School, when a guy guy asked who is the christian and the girl stood up boldly, he shot her and killed her and there are testimonies about the girl that lead many to Christ. Happen at Atlanta Courthouse, when some were killed by the criminal and escaped and somehow unexpected that a christian woman confront and she shared her faith and lead that man to Christ and he surrender. There are many ways, and many times we don't understand and no, it is no such thing as coincidence, God moves in mysterious ways as we are humans which we couldn't comprehend why this been happening. Its part of law of nature. Each of us face different circumstance and like how you ask and described either incident or for asking of an examples. In everything, God is there and God does works in many different ways in each of us and even the murderers.

 

[Dark-Half]

Irrelevant note:I realize I mispelled curiosity. Whoops.

Q:

Columbine shooting; The girl who stood up when he asked who is "the christian" do you think she knew he was going to kill her? If she knew he was going to kill her do you think she would of still stood up?

To me it is debateable that whether it was courageous or sheer foolishness, like a lamb to slaughter. To die for ideals and beliefs... It doesn't exactly help me sleep better at night, the thought of it leaves me with a sickening feel in my throat and a cold hollow emptyness. She could of still been alive to this very day had she not stood up, of course the cause and effect wouldn't be there that she 'led' people to turn to God. Reminds me of the ending to 'the excorism of Emily rose'

A bottom line; if God is there and working in mysterious ways. What is his goal? He certianly has to be working toward something if he lets/causes things such as this to happen.

 

[TrickPony]

Dark-Half

[B]You can get some answer from Jehovah's Witnesses: Watchtower Society Official Web Site[/B]

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When one assumes the role of a sinner to protect us from the sinful how does this reflect in your eyes?

I'll elaborate.

A bank robber is about to kill someone, you spot a gun on the floor. Picking up the gun you assume the role of a sinner to protect an innocent and therby shoot him to prevent him from killing a pregant woman who accidently seen his face. It goes against one of the commandments, but it also prevented an innocent woman and BABY from dying against the other guys violation of the commandments.

What about this one?

A soldier dons arms to fight for freedom. A wave of enemies is approaching a small village, you decide to take them out before they can get there and use it as shelter which would later possiblity end up having to destroy the village even with innocent people in to rid them.


It's kinda a weird irony with christian morales. It may not be right to do such things, but inturn you saved lives? Would that justify it? I just thought it'd be something interesting to talk about, sort of like self-sacrifice -- only you're not dying in the other persons steed, but commiting a sin to save one or more lives.

 

[christlovedeaf]

Irrelevant note:I realize I mispelled curiosity. Whoops.

Q:

Columbine shooting; The girl who stood up when he asked who is "the christian" do you think she knew he was going to kill her? If she knew he was going to kill her do you think she would of still stood up?

To me it is debateable that whether it was courageous or sheer foolishness, like a lamb to slaughter. To die for ideals and beliefs... It doesn't exactly help me sleep better at night, the thought of it leaves me with a sickening feel in my throat and a cold hollow emptyness. She could of still been alive to this very day had she not stood up, of course the cause and effect wouldn't be there that she 'led' people to turn to God. Reminds me of the ending to 'the excorism of Emily rose'

A bottom line; if God is there and working in mysterious ways. What is his goal? He certianly has to be working toward something if he lets/causes things such as this to happen.

Well, God doesn't want you to have fear. We are living in this world of chaos. I wouldn't think the girl knew she will be killed. In some ways, its depend on circumstances. One I thought of an example, not someone killed. Like little house on the prairie about cruel woman name harriet who hated the person who is difference, bec he's liitle guy and planning having him in court, but somehow one of her adoptive daughter fell into the deep hole and that little man volunteer and pulled the girl up and saved her and turned harriet all around and ask him to forgive her. You know what I mean? There are number of ways, God do for best something what we face horrific time.

 

[Dark-Half]

Erm- Gettin abit off topic from my original intention for the discussion. Let me elaborate once more on simpler terms. Everybody has opinions on whether two wrongs will or will not make a right. Depending on the given situation sometimes there's just NO path that will leave your hands not stained with blood.

Let's say we capture a terrorist, he has vital information to an attack in a public area. Torturing him to the point of near death is immoral, but when you have 5,000 lives on your hands and getting the information out of him would save them... Would this even justify it? Sometimes I wonder if there are other ways aside a necessary evil to handle things.

 

[Mohamed's wife]

When one assumes the role of a sinner to protect us from the sinful how does this reflect in your eyes?

I'll elaborate.

A bank robber is about to kill someone, you spot a gun on the floor. Picking up the gun you assume the role of a sinner to protect an innocent and therby shoot him to prevent him from killing a pregant woman who accidently seen his face. It goes against one of the commandments, but it also prevented an innocent woman and BABY from dying against the other guys violation of the commandments.

What about this one?

A soldier dons arms to fight for freedom. A wave of enemies is approaching a small village, you decide to take them out before they can get there and use it as shelter which would later possiblity end up having to destroy the village even with innocent people in to rid them.


It's kinda a weird irony with christian morales. It may not be right to do such things, but inturn you saved lives? Would that justify it? I just thought it'd be something interesting to talk about, sort of like self-sacrifice -- only you're not dying in the other persons steed, but commiting a sin to save one or more lives.

Salam, In Islam, you have the right to protect yourself and family/anyone from any aggressers. Salam

 

[christlovedeaf]

There are different degree, why courts? Other thing, I agree with wifes, we do have a right to defend, but depend on the circumstances. Whatever how you look at, there are many different ways what we face in life. Regard of all of this, God is still in control inspite of good and bad and each person will be accountable of the life we live in.