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Reba said:
It was the real Gabriel that spoke to Mary. It was a fake "Gabriel" that supposedly spoke to Mohammed.

II Corinthians 11
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
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The verse is from where Paul was writing about taking money from those he considered servants of Satan to support his work, not minding if he was undercutting them. He said it wasn't surprising that they could appear to serve Christ by comparing them to Satan appearing to be an angel of light.

But what if Satan faked the whole thing there in the bible so people could take the verse and say that Paul believed that Satan could look like an angel of light? And it could be Satan in either case with Mary or Mohammand or with both. Maybe Satan faked that stuff in the bible to lead people astray from Islam or faked the appearence to Mohammad to lead people astray from Christianity or faked both of them to make people fight over silly things. Or he had nothing to do with it because maybe the angel did appear to both people, implying that there is a god or gods playing with us. Or Satan doesn't exist and different people just believed different stories they heard, maybe with Muslims putting the angel into their holy book as a way to make a connection for people converting from Christianity to Islam.
 
Heath said:
There is no way that Jesus Christ can be satan at all. Jesus Christ went through 40 days of temptation from satan and did many things like healings but the jews hated him for healing blind deaf the lame etc and then he had one final spiritual battle at the cross with satan and Jesus Christ won and now is with God of Israel, Abba Father.
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Yeah, there is a way. How would we know if it was really Jesus who did all of that or if it was Satan himself or the son of Satan faking the whole thing to make people think that a son of God walked the Earth?
 
RedFox said:
Yeah, there is a way. How would we know if it was really Jesus who did all of that or if it was Satan himself or the son of Satan faking the whole thing to make people think that a son of God walked the Earth?
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No way !!!!!

1. God created the earth after satan fell from Heaven with many angels who rebelled against God.

2. Adam was created, Eve was taken from Adam's rib while he was asleep.

3. God created the animal kingdom then the animal kingdom's animals were named by Adam

4. The history of the Bible was being written exactly as it happened in the KJV Holy Bible. ( Later corrupt translations were done as early as Alexandrian Egypt A.D. to the more recent 1970's - 1980's )
AD stands for Anno Domini or Year of our Lord referring to the year of Christ’s birth. BC stands for Before Christ.

5. The whole world was covered in sin and God told Noah to build the Ark and take 2 animals of both male and female and warned those who would repent and turn away from sin and satan. None followed except Noah's family and I think Noah's servants.

6. God promised the rainbow as a sign that God would not flood the whole world and the rainbow is a reminder to not continue in the wickedness of sin.

7. God of Israel led Moses and the Israelites out of the spiritual and physical darkness of bondage that satan held forth in Egypt.

8. It was there that satan tempted the Israelites and finally satan tempted Moses to give water but God was gracious and let Moses live to see the border of The Promised Land which is where it was marked there God commanded Moses to give authority and the robes to Joshua after he was very brave to spy on the Land of the Canaan and Joshua was always trying to obey God in all the things he did and God appreciated and blessed Joshua even more ( you can only imagine how angry satan was )

9. Wars came then King Saul tried to be a good military general and obey God but soon his pride got the better of him ( satan is at work here ) King Saul then goes to consult a witchcraft woman and did not consult with God of Israel then KIng Saul was no more and hundreds perphaps thousands of miles away a man who obeyed God. His name was Samuel and he was sent to find a new king for the Nation of Israel and Samuel thought this was the one ( satan pointing to someone else ) God told Samuel no , it is David and that really surprised Samuel so Samuel obeyed God and Samuel told David that he would be one day a King of Israel.

10. King David is now a King of Israel much to the dismay and anger of Saul who now schemes to betray the Jewish Brotherhood of Israel and lead King David asthray with the military successes that King David rightfully recongized and respected that the military success that he was having was from God of Israel and Saul was no longer able to recongize this simple truth because satan had blinded Saul to anger and jealousy. ( notice the spiritual battle of God and satan through men who obey one master or the another master. There can be no two masters ) Continued on next page .....
 
11. The Nation of Israel is under attack from spiritual satan who targets the Leader and The King of Israel who is King David who notices a married woman next window from his castle at the Wall of Jerusalem and satan succeeded at sending the spirit of lust to King David who saw what he liked who was not his wife and that was somebody's wife. King David sends for a soldier to inform his wife's husband to go to the most dangerous part of the war frontlines and there his wife's husband died in battle loyal to God of Israel and King David but God saw what David was doing was wrong and God sent Samuel The Prophet to confront David of his sin which has been found out by God of Israel and King David repented of his sin and fasted a very long time but his baby died because of David's sin and David did not want his his baby to die and David, his wifeweeped for the baby together and tne Nation of Israel looked before King David with shame and embarrassment which was exactly what satan wanted with the spirit of lust, the spirit of shame and the spirit of embarrassment and host of another evil spirits that work for satan. God is still gracious and forgave King David because he was a man after God's Heart.

12. Jesus Christ of Nazareth ( Yeshua of Narazeth ) was born as promised in the book of Isaiah and satan was furious and set forth King Herod to kill all the babies of under age 2 years old. That was satan's first official evil act against God's Son The King of Kings and Yeshua is the King of Israel forever and ever more as God of Israel has granted Yeshua of Narazeth the right to be God's Son and God of Israel granted Yeshua of Narazeth the right to be the King of Israel as well as be King of the entire earth.

13. God of Israel said that every sinner and everybody who is saved by grace will knee to bow before Yeshua of Narazeth and satan will also knee to bow to Yeshua of Narazeth and all will know that Yeshua of Narazeth is the King of the entire universe that God of Israel created the earth at the beginning of Genesis

14. I want you to remember that right after Yeshua was tempted 40 days and 40 nights by satan in the wilderness then Yeshua ( Jesus Christ ) went out to preach The Word of God and Jesus Christ healed the blind the deaf and the lame and cast out demons.

15. Think about it why did satan want people to not obey the 10 Commandments set forth by God of Israel ? Why did satan want people to not obey Yeshua ? What is going on between God and satan and why is Yeshua the meditator between all of you and me towards God of Israel, Abba Father Blessed Be His Name Forever and Ever Amen. From Genesis to Revealations what is going on in the spiritual world as well as the physical world ? You can read it in the KJV Holy Bible and see for yourself. Thank you and God Bless ...... :angel:
 
CyberRed said:
Hypocrites ? How is that I am a hypocrite ? I was married before and have my own children. I am not a virgin. I know what Penisairum looks like and they are very old to me. That's NOT somethin' that I've never seen before.

I have nothin' to show any interested in " Penisarium " ( what ever that spell ) and I am entitled to post anythin' in there, because I am a mother of 4 children. I am 45 years old, not a 16 years old or underage with a baby livin' with parents.

Now, speakin' about preach -- did I preach YOU ? No. I can share the scriptures what I know from my own heart. I am NOT ashamed of anythin', if I am bein' honest. You have YOUR OWN CHOICE with your own life. I am not goin' to run you or your life. I have the right to stand up for Christ -- and for Him only I can tell the world about. I am not tellin' the whole world about you. You don't die for me on the cross.
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Let you know i am much older than you....I am 62 yrs old
 
The reason I become agnostic... last Pastor had lied to me... I showed a proof right on the stage... Guess what... his wife backed me up and told everyone the Truth what he had done to me... I walked out of the church.... no more churches for me....
SxyPOrkie
 
Reba said:
Can you please post the text, not just the references?
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TEXTUAL BASIS:

The following commentary is Rashi's adapted to the JPS translation of the Tanakh. Lines irrelevant to the conversation have been removed to condense the text. The full text is available at the Chabad Lubavitch website if interested.

ספר בראשית פרק ט​
Book of Genesis, Chapter 9

.ד אך-בשר, בנפשו דמו לא תאכלו​
4. Only flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

flesh with the life thereof He prohibited them to eat a limb cut off from a living creature; i.e., as long as its soul is in it, you shall not eat the flesh. (Sanhedrin 59b) (i.e., if the limb is cut from the animal while it is alive, it is forbidden to be eaten even after the animal expires.)

with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof As long as its life is within it.

flesh with the life thereof…you shall not eat This refers to a limb of a living creature. And also, its blood, you shall not eat-This refers to blood of a living creature. (Sanhedrin 59b)

.ה ואך את-דמכם לנפשתיכם אדרש, מיד כל-חיה אדרשנו; ומיד האדם, מיד איש אחיו--אדרש, את-נפש האדם​

5. And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it; and at the hand of man, even at the hand of every man's brother, will I require the life of man.

RASHI:

surely your blood Even though I permitted you to take the life of animals, your blood I will demand of one who sheds his own blood (i.e., who commits suicide). (Genesis Rabbah 34:13, Bava Qama 91b)

of your lives Also one who strangles himself, even though no blood issued from him. (Genesis Rabbah 34:13)

at the hand of every beast Since the Generation of the Flood had sinned, and they were abandoned as prey for the wild beasts, which would have power over them, as it is said (Psalms. 49:13, 21): "he is compared to the silenced animals"; therefore, it was necessary to warn the beasts about them (not to kill them).

and from the hand of man From the hand of one who kills intentionally, without witnesses, I will demand his life. (Targum Jonathan, verse 6)

at the hand of man, even at the hand of every man's brother From the hand of the one who loves him like a brother, and killed him unintentionally, I will demand punishment, if he does not go into exile nor beg that his iniquity be forgiven. For even the inadvertent sinner requires atonement. If there are no witnesses to sentence him to exile, and he does not humble himself, the Holy One, blessed be He, will demand it of him, as our Rabbis expounded (Exod. 21:13): "And God placed him into his hand," in Tractate Makot 10b: the Holy One, blessed be He, causes them to meet at the same inn, etc.

.ו שפך דם האדם, באדם דמו ישפך: כי בצלם אלהים, עשה את-האדם​

6. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God made He man.

.ז ואתם, פרו ורְבו; שרְצו בארץ, ורְבו-בה​

7. And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; swarm in the earth, and multiply therein."

And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply According to its simple meaning: the first mention of this expression (verse 1) was a blessing, and this mention is a commandment. According to its midrashic interpretation, it is written here to compare one who does not engage in propagation to one who sheds blood. (Yevamot 63b)

.ח ויאמר אלהים אל-נח, ואל-בניו אתו לאמר​

8. And God spoke unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying:

.ט ואני, הנני מקים את-בריתי אתכם, ואת-זרעכם, אחריכם​

9. 'As for Me, behold, I establish My covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

As for Me, behold I Agree with you, for Noah was afraid to engage in propagation until the Holy One, blessed be He, promised him never to destroy the world again, and so He did. He ultimately said to him, "Behold I agree to make a confirmation and a strengthening of a covenant for My promise, and I will give you a sign." (Tan. Buber, Noach 17)

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.יב ויאמר אלהים, זאת אות-הברית אשר-אני נתן ביני וביניכם, ובין כל-נפש חיה, אשר אתכם--לדרת, עולם​

12. And God said: 'This is the token of the covenant which I make between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

Regarding the Talmud references: There is no complete text of the Talmud in English (or even in Hebrew/Aramaic, for that matter) online anywhere. Our library has copies of the Sanhedrin (Steinsaltz edition), but it is closed today. I will update sometime tommorow or on Tuesday when I am able to get over there to provide the text. As for Bava Qama, if you want the one line of text, you're going to have to wait a few days while I request the Schottenstein edition of that tractate.

(The Steinsaltz English edition is incomplete, though personally I find it preferable to the Schottenstein edition.)



SYNTHESIS:

There are two effective covenants in the world, the Covenant of Noach and the Covenant of Yisrael. As Noach is, according to traditional Jewish teaching (and traditional Christian teaching), the most recent common ancestor of all humans, all humans are B'nei Noach, Children of Noach.

Humans would normally receive salvation if they lived within the terms of their agreement with God. (Genesis 2) As the Covenant of Noach is the agreement all humans have with God, they are therefore all bound to it to receive salvation.
 
SxyPorkie said:
The reason I become agnostic... last Pastor had lied to me... I showed a proof right on the stage... Guess what... his wife backed me up and told everyone the Truth what he had done to me... I walked out of the church.... no more churches for me....
SxyPOrkie
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I know how you feel, bec I myself experience, but I don't give up, I myself ask the Lord and learned a lot from His Holy Word NLT and CEV and examine myself and as I'm not sure if you read above that I shared. Like I said, what pastor did, he himself need to examine himself and let God reveal to him and yes, he should come up to you for forgiveness. But, seem he hasn't, but IF he comes to you,and ask for forgiveness, will you accept his forgiveness? Anger, bitterness, divisive, hatred doesn't maky anything better. I won't repeat what I said from above I explained if tyou can read, I know exactly how you feel. Right now, I go to other church and really edify me to become more like Him, but I do have long way to go, and continue to let Him help me what I need the changes.
 
christlovedeaf said:
I know how you feel, bec I myself experience, but I don't give up, I myself ask the Lord and learned a lot from His Holy Word NLT and CEV and examine myself and as I'm not sure if you read above that I shared. Like I said, what pastor did, he himself need to examine himself and let God reveal to him and yes, he should come up to you for forgiveness. But, seem he hasn't, but IF he comes to you,and ask for forgiveness, will you accept his forgiveness? Anger, bitterness, divisive, hatred doesn't maky anything better. I won't repeat what I said from above I explained if tyou can read, I know exactly how you feel. Right now, I go to other church and really edify me to become more like Him, but I do have long way to go, and continue to let Him help me what I need the changes.
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He got FIRED!!
 
SxyPorkie said:
The reason I become agnostic... last Pastor had lied to me... I showed a proof right on the stage... Guess what... his wife backed me up and told everyone the Truth what he had done to me... I walked out of the church.... no more churches for me....
SxyPOrkie
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Why do u need a pastor in your life when u only have one preacher, Him. U know everyone lies incluced pastors.
 
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