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I don't if VOIP is right word, anyway; it that line able to use tty? I am just curious about that one. ;)
 
If you're not even sure what you're talking about, it's going to be difficult for us to answer your qusetion.

If you're absolutely asking about Voice Over IP (VOIP) telephone systems like Vonage, then MAYBE you can use a TTY over them.

It should work - but you may have problems occasionally missing characters. It's a problem the the VOIP people have identified and are working on fixing. If you want to switch over, go ahead, but check with the company first to get a GUARANTEE in WRITING that TTYs will work.
 
Dennis said:
If you're not even sure what you're talking about, it's going to be difficult for us to answer your qusetion.

If you're absolutely asking about Voice Over IP (VOIP) telephone systems like Vonage, then MAYBE you can use a TTY over them.

It should work - but you may have problems occasionally missing characters. It's a problem the the VOIP people have identified and are working on fixing. If you want to switch over, go ahead, but check with the company first to get a GUARANTEE in WRITING that TTYs will work.
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VOIP providers guarantee that tty would work? What ever happened to the Nexttalk? Who is using ancient tty machines today?

It will work anyway since you get dial tone and it is POTS (plain old telephone system). The providers may not gaurantee that it will work if your DSL or cable modem goes down, then VOIP goes with it. Same goes with fax machines.

However, with Vonage's $25 flat rate for unlimited usage on voice is a good baragain after a purchase of broadband modem with telephone capabalities.
 
NexTalk isn't VOIP. There's a long answer in the difference between VOIP and NexTalk. Hope you have the patience to read it.


There are two different kinds of NexTalk:

1) NexTalk-VM (voice modem): It's a phone program that uses your home phone line hooked up to your computer modem, NOT your broadband (DSL or Cable Internet) to make and receive TTY calls. You make the TTY tone in your own computer modem to send over the telephone line to your friend's TTY.

2) NexTalk.net (web browser): It's an internet program that connects to a SERVER with a bank of voice modems to make TTY calls from a central location. You transmit information between the server and your computer using standard ASCII text, NOT VOIP protocol. The server recognizes that you're sending the letter "e" then creates the TTY tone in the voice modem to send over the telephone line.

The advantage of this is that less infromation is transmitted between the computers, and it's less error prone. But, you can't use your voice because your voice doesn't transmit in text.


VOIP protocol:
VOIP protocol would be like you sending the actual TTY tones over the internet. So far, we've only transmitted the tones over our own phone line (#1), OR sent plain text to a company's server which will then transmit the tones over the server's phone lines (#2).

VOIP has some problems doing the TTY tones. Some companies can't even do it AT ALL. Why? It's hard to explain unless you're familiar with network packets and how computers sample TTY tones, but the result is, YOU END UP MISSING CHARACTERS. You may not even know that you're missing them, but voice users don't have this problem, so it's NOT equal access.

However, the advantage to using VOIP is, THEORETICALLY, you could use voice and text at the same time (voice carry over, or VCO) because VOIP should be able to do both equally well.

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Dennis said:
NexTalk isn't VOIP. There's a long answer in the difference between VOIP and NexTalk. Hope you have the patience to read it.


There are two different kinds of NexTalk:

1) NexTalk-VM (voice modem): It's a phone program that uses your home phone line hooked up to your computer modem, NOT your broadband (DSL or Cable Internet) to make and receive TTY calls. You make the TTY tone in your own computer modem to send over the telephone line to your friend's TTY.

2) NexTalk.net (web browser): It's an internet program that connects to a SERVER with a bank of voice modems to make TTY calls from a central location. You transmit information between the server and your computer using standard ASCII text, NOT VOIP protocol. The server recognizes that you're sending the letter "e" then creates the TTY tone in the voice modem to send over the telephone line.

The advantage of this is that less infromation is transmitted between the computers, and it's less error prone. But, you can't use your voice because your voice doesn't transmit in text.


VOIP protocol:
VOIP protocol would be like you sending the actual TTY tones over the internet. So far, we've only transmitted the tones over our own phone line (#1), OR sent plain text to a company's server which will then transmit the tones over the server's phone lines (#2).

VOIP has some problems doing the TTY tones. Some companies can't even do it AT ALL. Why? It's hard to explain unless you're familiar with network packets and how computers sample TTY tones, but the result is, YOU END UP MISSING CHARACTERS. You may not even know that you're missing them, but voice users don't have this problem, so it's NOT equal access.

However, the advantage to using VOIP is, THEORETICALLY, you could use voice and text at the same time (voice carry over, or VCO) because VOIP should be able to do both equally well.

Helpful?
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We need to hop into ONE boat and make sure we understad both.

The voice modem is dying breed for tty users since there are not many tty programs that works well with majority of voice modems. It has to be specific brand of VM. However, the MAC program is popular www.softtty.com.

Lets go back to the original post. I don't [know] if VOIP is right word, anyway; it that line able to use tty?

I am assuming that we need a router with phone port such as Linksys RT41P2-AT and a VOIP provider like Vonage.

http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=34&scid=29&prid=663

Then any analog device such as voice phone, fax or even tty machine can be used.

Anyone with a computer can easily use Nextalk program from www.nextalk.net and make free tty calls. The only catch is the IP-Relay is built into the program and I never use it. I use my own state relay service which work just fine.

Unless, ideafspy misunderstood what is VOIP. Remember, the term "tty" can be used in different ways such as tty call from the computer/pager or using a tty machine.

re we still in the same boat? i kiss tty machine goodbye longggggg time ago
 
Hey! I kissed my 9 tty goodbye 3 years ago!!! I am glad I was able to get rid of them!!! I kissed phone company goodbye since last year! Thus already saved me over 150 dollars! I wouldn't want VoIP. I almost had bought one, only to get voicemail. But, I found out how to access voicemail on my sidekick 2. GAWD! alot easier than I thought so I dropped the idea of VoIP.

VoIP modem looks much, and acts like router They just split the data and analog (Phone line) out of the cable modem or DSL. You will be able to hear dial tone with VoIP (When actiavated). So I believe any TTY machine will work with them.

I can bet you all a million dollars that within 5 years from now TTY will be completely history and NO ONE will be using them by that time.

I will stay with Videophone. Tell ya this, many times I had hard time explain to some deafies on pager or Email. I ended up ask them to talk on VP for clarification. WORKS EVERY DAMN TIME!!!! There was always "OHHHHH I got it" on videophone!
 
voip wont do or work with 911 as you have seen other thread or news about it....better off keep landline without long discont call unless you have direct emgecy call number. in future they are work on "e-911" which can track down within 3-5 miles or 150 foot (?) radus. it s long way go to made final have something without landline..
 
justlook said:
voip wont do or work with 911 as you have seen other thread or news about it....better off keep landline without long discont call unless you have direct emgecy call number. in future they are work on "e-911" which can track down within 3-5 miles or 150 foot (?) radus. it s long way go to made final have something without landline..
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About the 911; the VoIP can to do with 911 but it will be specific where you are once you sign up the account. Suppose, you took the telephone to friend house and using their high speed access. The phone will rang anywhere you are at. Suppose, you are dialing 911 in Florida while you live in Texas. The police or whatever will direct to Texas and not Florida.

Speaking about 911, I am not sure if this forum have talk about 911 across the internet? Some people believe that VP should handle with 911. It might sound strange but will that going happen?
 
911 over VP? Not now, BUT EVENTUALLY it will happen. Just that it takes time for somebody to figure out HOW, or invent something that is WORKABLE with 911 system.

5 years ago, it is IMPOSSIBLE to track down 911 calls with cell phone. Now somebody came up with brilliant idea how to make this work. So, I can bet my ass that it will happen with VP.

ideafspy said:
About the 911; the VoIP can to do with 911 but it will be
specific where you are once you sign up the account. Suppose, you took the telephone to friend house and using their high speed access. The phone will rang anywhere you are at. Suppose, you are dialing 911 in Florida while you live in Texas. The police or whatever will direct to Texas and not Florida.

Speaking about 911, I am not sure if this forum have talk about 911 across the internet? Some people believe that VP should handle with 911. It might sound strange but will that going happen?
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diehardbiker65 said:
911 over VP? Not now, BUT EVENTUALLY it will happen. Just that it takes time for somebody to figure out HOW, or invent something that is WORKABLE with 911 system.

5 years ago, it is IMPOSSIBLE to track down 911 calls with cell phone. Now somebody came up with brilliant idea how to make this work. So, I can bet my ass that it will happen with VP.
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Yes, NOW, 911 over VOIP will work as long as you sign up with the VOIP provider.

http://www.vonage.com/features.php?feature=911

Not all VOIP providers have working 911 system so hope in the near future all of them should have 911 infor. IT is very important that each VOIP subscriber sign up with their provider and keep the address current in their database.
 
Please re read my message. Which did I mention VP or VoIP?


qwerty123 said:
Yes, NOW, 911 over VOIP will work as long as you sign up with the VOIP provider.

http://www.vonage.com/features.php?feature=911

Not all VOIP providers have working 911 system so hope in the near future all of them should have 911 infor. IT is very important that each VOIP subscriber sign up with their provider and keep the address current in their database.
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ideafspy said:
I don't if VOIP is right word, anyway; it that line able to use tty? I am just curious about that one. ;)
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Same here...My home only have a WISP (Wireless Internet Service Providers) to the radio tower due to country where no high speed cable undergroud (Fiber Optic). :( So I decied to go ahead and try it out for Vonage to see if I like it or not.

After I sign up, I test it with my tty. Work like normal phone line! The phone plan is $14.95 per month up to 500 mins MAX. It have alot of features! If I'm in other state and want to check who call me. Go to vonage and sign into my account to find out. It save the logs and can add it into my address book to redial in the future. Very nice! BUT...I prefer VP. Yay!!!
 
and I dont need TTY. I use aim for relay and just dial 911 for help and no need talk just let it track me.

Why need TTY for?
 
Neo said:
and I dont need TTY. I use aim for relay and just dial 911 for help and no need talk just let it track me.

Why need TTY for?
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For deaf friends who don't have VP. Soon the TTY will be gone 'bye bye'. :cheers: for VP!

What kind of relay service you have for 911? Any? The FCC said you have to use TTY directly. The faster to track to the caller's location, the sooner they arrives for help before your parent dies or whoever.

About TTY with VOIP. You have to know the speed rate of bauds to avoid packets loss or delay of milliseconds. Then adjust it in the similar speed and it's works for me.
 
There aren't any 911 services just for TTY, but all emergency centers should be equipped because they will deal with all sorts of callers. Many underfunded places may not have them or aren't trained in them, though. The best thing to do is to just call 911 and type as much as you can and hope they have the equipment and training to understand you, or else they'll at least track you down and make a visit to your home.
 
Dennis said:
There aren't any 911 services just for TTY, but all emergency centers should be equipped because they will deal with all sorts of callers. Many underfunded places may not have them or aren't trained in them, though. The best thing to do is to just call 911 and type as much as you can and hope they have the equipment and training to understand you, or else they'll at least track you down and make a visit to your home.
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Yea make a visit to my home. I remmy one time my stepson was playing a game by dialing 911 and the cop came to my house. I was like HUH!!! GRRRRRRRRR so I told him to stop. Then it never happened again.

As for TTY yea kissed it goodbye. When making a long distance call thru tty is tooooooooooo much money. I still have a landline since I need it for 911. I just wish I have a way to get 911 thru my cellphone so I can kissed my landline.
 
deafunix said:
For deaf friends who don't have VP. Soon the TTY will be gone 'bye bye'. :cheers: for VP!

What kind of relay service you have for 911? Any? The FCC said you have to use TTY directly. The faster to track to the caller's location, the sooner they arrives for help before your parent dies or whoever.

About TTY with VOIP. You have to know the speed rate of bauds to avoid packets loss or delay of milliseconds. Then adjust it in the similar speed and it's works for me.
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Everyone have computer and sk2 that all deaf I know.
You can use computer or sk2 for relay.


No need relay service for 911. Just DIAL 911 and NO NEED to TALK and JUST WAIT for few min on cell phone.

http://pcworld.about.com/magazine/1909p034id55986.htm

TTY is waste of ur money for phone bill and only one to one. :ugh:


Why pay $300-$600 for crap TTY? Just buy laptop for $400~


U forget about outside like accident, something wrong and where is tty?

You can't carry tty with you in everyday.

Wireless mobile is good enough!
 
Pomeranian said:
Yea make a visit to my home. I remmy one time my stepson was playing a game by dialing 911 and the cop came to my house. I was like HUH!!! GRRRRRRRRR so I told him to stop. Then it never happened again.

As for TTY yea kissed it goodbye. When making a long distance call thru tty is tooooooooooo much money. I still have a landline since I need it for 911. I just wish I have a way to get 911 thru my cellphone so I can kissed my landline.
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OFC they can track ur cell phone once u dial 911. It's start like 5 years ago. U would know that.



I read news that stupid kid play 911 in school bus and it pulled by police after few min later. GPS know where exactly are you and can follow you whatever you go anywhere around with cell phone.
 
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