Deaf school in WV looking for renovation needs

TXgolfer said:
That is a great story. But I disagree with you on renovations being a worthy expense for taxpayers. They would be better off building new structures.
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It seemed that your answer was to dump the whole Deaf school and send everybody back home with a private teacher. 40k a year for 30 years is a whole lot more than 16,666 per student who would gain so much more from it.

I didn't say renovate. Just don't chuck the whole Deaf school ideology. Relocate or rebuild. Whatever they gotta do to keep West Virginia from losing their state school for the Deaf where ever it may be located.

I'm with you on 60m being way too much. There have to be better solutions that consist of not losing the school all together. New structures would likely cost a lot more than renovations though. TSD cost around 150m over a decade ago. (NOTE: I'm not entirely certain on that dollar amount but remember it being a lot)
 
NitroHonda said:
It seemed that your answer was to dump the whole Deaf school and send everybody back home with a private teacher. 40k a year for 30 years is a whole lot more than 16,666 per student who would gain so much more from it.

I didn't say renovate. Just don't chuck the whole Deaf school ideology. Relocate or rebuild. Whatever they gotta do to keep West Virginia from losing their state school for the Deaf where ever it may be located.

I'm with you on 60m being way too much. There have to be better solutions that consist of not losing the school all together. New structures would likely cost a lot more than renovations though. TSD cost around 150m over a decade ago. (NOTE: I'm not entirely certain on that dollar amount but remember it being a lot)
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I think it's cheaper to build a new facility than to renovate it. if that's the case - then they can just build a new one and then once it's completed... move everything to it. and sell that estate to offset the cost.
 
NitroHonda said:
It seemed that your answer was to dump the whole Deaf school and send everybody back home with a private teacher. 40k a year for 30 years is a whole lot more than 16,666 per student who would gain so much more from it.

I didn't say renovate. Just don't chuck the whole Deaf school ideology. Relocate or rebuild. Whatever they gotta do to keep West Virginia from losing their state school for the Deaf where ever it may be located.

I'm with you on 60m being way too much. There have to be better solutions that consist of not losing the school all together. New structures would likely cost a lot more than renovations though. TSD cost around 150m over a decade ago. (NOTE: I'm not entirely certain on that dollar amount but remember it being a lot)
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Reading the comments for the article, apparently this school is not very well regarded. I don't know if that is true or not. I have no problem with deaf schools as long as they are preparing kids for the future and not just warehousing them.
 
Jiro said:
I think it's cheaper to build a new facility than to renovate it. if that's the case - then they can just build a new one and then once it's completed... move everything to it.
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I'm all for it however they decide. Just don't shut it down.
 
NitroHonda said:
I'm all for it however they decide. Just don't shut it down.
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shut it down? absolutely not unless it's a danger to people. I think they can hold on for time being while they build a new one.
 
Jiro said:
I think it's cheaper to build a new facility than to renovate it. if that's the case - then they can just build a new one and then once it's completed... move everything to it. and sell that estate to offset the cost.
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:thumb:
 
NitroHonda said:
It seemed that your answer was to dump the whole Deaf school and send everybody back home with a private teacher. 40k a year for 30 years is a whole lot more than 16,666 per student who would gain so much more from it.

I didn't say renovate. Just don't chuck the whole Deaf school ideology. Relocate or rebuild. Whatever they gotta do to keep West Virginia from losing their state school for the Deaf where ever it may be located.

I'm with you on 60m being way too much. There have to be better solutions that consist of not losing the school all together. New structures would likely cost a lot more than renovations though. TSD cost around 150m over a decade ago. (NOTE: I'm not entirely certain on that dollar amount but remember it being a lot)
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Yup, the new MSSD dorm cost $28 million to house 150-200 students, also they had soil stabilization that cost a lot of money, so that's expensive to build the new building, however Gallaudet managed to secured some of funding, but not fully funded yet.
 
TXgolfer said:
Reading the comments for the article, apparently this school is not very well regarded. I don't know if that is true or not. I have no problem with deaf schools as long as they are preparing kids for the future and not just warehousing them.
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It's not one of the better schools in the country but I know the value of having the ability to not be ostracized. That very act alone is what makes us grow into independents. We are not seen as savages at the school and it carries over with us as we become adults.
 
NitroHonda said:
It's not one of the better schools in the country but I know the value of having the ability to not be ostracized. That very act alone is what makes us grow into independents. We are not seen as savages at the school and it carries over with us as we become adults.
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Exactly. Not to mention that there aren't a lot of great Deaf ed programs in West Virginia. I thought student achievement in West Virginia is low too.
And yes, social emotional development is just as important as educational development. Unfortunatly it's not given a lot of attention. Even super stars who do very well with CIs, still often have major social issues.
Especially in middle and high school.
 
deafdyke said:
Exactly. Not to mention that there aren't a lot of great Deaf ed programs in West Virginia. I thought student achievement in West Virginia is low too.
And yes, social emotional development is just as important as educational development. Unfortunatly it's not given a lot of attention. Even super stars who do very well with CIs, still often have major social issues.
Especially in middle and high school.
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Not a taxpayer issue IMO.
 
TXgolfer said:
Not a taxpayer issue IMO.
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Actually it is. Kids with disabilities (of all sorts) who have good social skills/abilities are more likely to be employed and have a good overall life in general. If you neglect that, then you end up with kids who can't get jobs, and don't become taxpayers....they tend to live with their families, and are stuck on SSI....Seriously, do you not remember your own school days? The inclusive special ed kids were generally not very popular......it's better to have a whole continuum of placement. Fact of the matter is, is that the mainstream is too one size fits all. Yes, there's some good mainstream dhh programs, and some positive inclusion stories, but you can't get over the fact that the mainstream educates the average child best. Did you know that gifted kids very often struggle in getting an education TOO?!?!?!
Besides, there are still a lot of deaf special needs kids who could be served very well at a Deaf School.....give them functional academics, even vocational training, and you have kids who could be very much semi independent, whereas if they were in the mainstream they wouldn't get the stuff they needed, and would most likely just end up in a group home staring at the TV or working at a very sheltered workshop.
 
deafdyke said:
Actually it is. Kids with disabilities (of all sorts) who have good social skills/abilities are more likely to be employed and have a good overall life in general. If you neglect that, then you end up with kids who can't get jobs, and don't become taxpayers....they tend to live with their families, and are stuck on SSI....Seriously, do you not remember your own school days? The inclusive special ed kids were generally not very popular......it's better to have a whole continuum of placement. Fact of the matter is, is that the mainstream is too one size fits all. Yes, there's some good mainstream dhh programs, and some positive inclusion stories, but you can't get over the fact that the mainstream educates the average child best. Did you know that gifted kids very often struggle in getting an education TOO?!?!?!
Besides, there are still a lot of deaf special needs kids who could be served very well at a Deaf School.....give them functional academics, even vocational training, and you have kids who could be very much semi independent, whereas if they were in the mainstream they wouldn't get the stuff they needed, and would most likely just end up in a group home staring at the TV or working at a very sheltered workshop.
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I disagree. The taxpayer responsibility is for educating the child. That is it.
 
deafdyke said:
Exactly. Not to mention that there aren't a lot of great Deaf ed programs in West Virginia. I thought student achievement in West Virginia is low too.
And yes, social emotional development is just as important as educational development. Unfortunatly it's not given a lot of attention. Even super stars who do very well with CIs, still often have major social issues.
Especially in middle and high school.
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I found mainstream high school was worst year for me because of bullying, so I believe that deaf school is best place for deaf students with full fluent in ASL or serious trouble to use oral language.
 
deafdyke said:
Actually it is. Kids with disabilities (of all sorts) who have good social skills/abilities are more likely to be employed and have a good overall life in general. If you neglect that, then you end up with kids who can't get jobs, and don't become taxpayers....they tend to live with their families, and are stuck on SSI....Seriously, do you not remember your own school days? The inclusive special ed kids were generally not very popular......it's better to have a whole continuum of placement. Fact of the matter is, is that the mainstream is too one size fits all. Yes, there's some good mainstream dhh programs, and some positive inclusion stories, but you can't get over the fact that the mainstream educates the average child best. Did you know that gifted kids very often struggle in getting an education TOO?!?!?!
Besides, there are still a lot of deaf special needs kids who could be served very well at a Deaf School.....give them functional academics, even vocational training, and you have kids who could be very much semi independent, whereas if they were in the mainstream they wouldn't get the stuff they needed, and would most likely just end up in a group home staring at the TV or working at a very sheltered workshop.
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Most important - make sure that deaf students are college bounds, however sadly, many of them failed at first year.

In here, I know some deaf people worked for first year so they resigned or got fired due to communication issues, so they stuck with SSI and unable to find an employment.

In bold - Yes, that's very common problem. :(
 
Foxrac said:
Most important - make sure that deaf students are college bounds, however sadly, many of them failed at first year.

In here, I know some deaf people worked for first year so they resigned or got fired due to communication issues, so they stuck with SSI and unable to find an employment.

In bold - Yes, that's very common problem. :(
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Fired for communications issues?
 
TXgolfer said:
Fired for communications issues?
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Yes, after managers and bosses became fed up with communication issues, such as unable to understand about how to perform the task or it doesn't meet boss's expectation.

I was very extremely frustrated with Walmart over communication issue when the manager and boss started mix up about my jobs, so they told me to mop the dairy cooler, so they told me that I was in wrong position after they assigned, so they told me to stock in Aisle 3, so they told me that I was in wrong position, so they told me to stock in freezer, repeat with different area. They threatened to fire me with powerful tactic and the job went OUT OF HAND
 
Foxrac said:
Yes, after managers and bosses became fed up with communication issues, such as unable to understand about how to perform the task or it doesn't meet boss's expectation.

I was very extremely frustrated with Walmart over communication issue when the manager and boss started mix up about my jobs, so they told me to mop the dairy cooler, so they told me that I was in wrong position after they assigned, so they told me to stock in Aisle 3, so they told me that I was in wrong position, so they told me to stock in freezer, repeat with different area. They threatened to fire me with powerful tactic and the job went OUT OF HAND
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They fired you?
 
TXgolfer said:
That is why I asked. It would be illegal for them to fire you over communications issues.
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It supposed to be illegal but Walmart will find other reason to fire instead of communication issue - they will say that it doesn't meet job expectation, also they have many lawyers that defended themselves in discrimination case. My deaf friend had similar problem but he got fired, so his lawyer strongly advised him to not sue because Walmart was smart (they went around with other reason) and VR had found a job for him, so that was happened in 2006.

That why I hardly shop at Walmart, so I don't like their visual environment.
 
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