Laws Needed

Riddle me this.

You live Seattle. I'm going to go out on a limb here......and think Seattle prob has a fairly large Deaf Community. And here you are lonely, you haven't gotten involved in it at all. Yet you think that all the hearing people around should know ASL so you can talk to them. Why? You don't even talk to the ones that know ASL?

Adding wheel chair ramps, and having brail on bathroom doors etc, is on par to having TTY lines and closed captions on television. Making businesses give the disabled, yeah y'all hate that word, the same access to service as nondisabled . This is not on par to making individuals learn something for other people. That is above and beyond. That is more on par with say I have this house, and they make it a law that I install, hell they even make me install it myself because to learn ASL you got to put the effort in, wheel chair ramps at my house..."just in case" someone with a wheel chair comes to my house. Never mind I don't know anybody in one, might not ever know one, and they probably aren't coming to my house.
 
I wonder how blind people would feel hearing you invoke them to promote the ongoing exclusion of the deaf.
 
deaftears said:
Many people who are deaf would involve themselves more in the community at large if the community at large where prepared to integrate us. You think being colonized is natural and sufficient. I'm inclined to disagree. Wheel chair ramps don't build themselves. They have to be required.
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And it is all about ensuring that deaf children dont end up with language delays. Nice to think of each other. By learning ASL and Deaf culture,more children will grow up into adults with more awareness and sensitivity to deaf people's needs.
 
I'm deaf and I would love for everyone to learn ASL. However, I'm realistic. Not everyone will know ASL. I'm sure there are people in wheelchair and others that are blind who are realistic.
 
deaftears said:
I wonder how blind people would feel hearing you invoke them to promote the ongoing exclusion of the deaf.
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I'd be more interested in finding out what they think about your big ass pity party about how unfair life is and how you think everyone around you should adapt to your situation. No, you haven't said that in so many words, but yeah that's what you're doing.
 
I'm sure that you would but the subject instead is whether they support sign language requirements. I'm sure that in your strange world of riddles and soothsay victimizing the innocent is perfectly okay, yet in a parallel universe there could be more magnanimity. Accordingly I propose a referendum for Blind People Only, to vote on whether they support reform in education requiring sign language. That way we can be sure that it isn't just some smug and streetwise Rhodes scholar speaking for everybody without them being consulted.
 
deaftears said:
I'm sure that you would but the subject instead is whether they support sign language requirements. I'm sure that in your strange world of riddles and soothsay victimizing the innocent is perfectly okay, yet in a parallel universe there could be more magnanimity. Accordingly I propose a referendum for Blind People Only, to vote on whether they support reform in education requiring sign language. That way we can be sure that it isn't just some smug and streetwise Rhodes scholar speaking for everybody without them being consulted.
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Soothsayer victimizing?? Isn't a soothsayer someone who sees the the future? My sister once told me, don't argue with crazy it's like trying to convince the sky not to be blue. But here I go.....

Get off it. The only thing I said about blind is... having braille on doors being equivalent to having TTY lines and closed captioning. Somehow I really don't think they'd argue that. I made analogy about wheel chair ramps, I don't think the blind would any beef about that either. BUT to be fair, to give something the blind to possibly have problems with something I said. I'll say that.....making everyone in the USA learn ASL to converse with the deaf is along the lines of making everyone pay for and install braille on all the doors in their house and stock some braille books on their bookshelves. i doubt they could argue that either. You couldn't. All you did was evade the point by blathering about the feelings of the blind. Oh I'm sure the blind would love to impose themselves on individuals and think the deaf should too, so you little vote would probably result in your favor.*sarcastic font, we need one* Because yes, there is a difference between businesses accommodating us and making individuals do it.
 
I disagree. I think it is reasonable accomodation for ASL to be taught to the general population. As for what additional steps could be taken to alleviate the discomforts of the blind or wheel chair bound, there's no harm in exploring the subject.
 
shel90 said:
And it is all about ensuring that deaf children dont end up with language delays. Nice to think of each other. By learning ASL and Deaf culture,more children will grow up into adults with more awareness and sensitivity to deaf people's needs.
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We barely have enough time for students to focus on math and science now. Not to mention schools are hurting for funds.
 
ambrosia said:
That's a pretty big hop skip and jump assumption you're making.

No, not thinking that everybody in the country should learn ASL so I can talk whoever strikes my fancy is not the same as thinking ADA should be abolished.

I expect more than that from you Jiro, you're too intelligent to make such an asinine assumption.
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it's a slippery slope. that was the point of my questioning.
 
deaftears said:
I disagree. I think it is reasonable accomodation for ASL to be taught to the general population. As for what additional steps could be taken to alleviate the discomforts of the blind or wheel chair bound, there's no harm in exploring the subject.
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:lol:
 
deaftears said:
I disagree. I think it is reasonable accomodation for ASL to be taught to the general population. As for what additional steps could be taken to alleviate the discomforts of the blind or wheel chair bound, there's no harm in exploring the subject.
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Now for the most part I don't disagree, it would be grand if everyone knew ASL, hell myself included. BUT the problem is it would be a wasteful part of their education. The likelihood that they wouldn't remember much of it after they left school is HUGE. There are only so many hours in the school day, what should they cut to make time for ASL lessons? Math? Science? Art? Music? English?
 
TXgolfer said:
We barely have enough time for students to focus on math and science now. Not to mention schools are hurting for funds.
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HA! I hadn't even read this post! We were thinking alike again....a liberal and a conservative....apocalypse is nigh.
 
Henry Ford was given the highest award possible to a non-German native by Adolf Hitler.
 
Jiro said:
it's a slippery slope. that was the point of my questioning.
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Not too slippery, not to me anyway. I think there are very clear differences on how we should be accommodated at school work and being able to do business....with businesses lol. But how we should be accommodated by individuals? I don't think I have any right to make say, individuals I've never even met accommodate me. I do see that as an imposition on them.
 
Wow...just seeing that ASL is not important to a lot of people here. It is an American language. Why are Spanish or other classess required to master for high school credits?
 
ambrosia said:
HA! I hadn't even read this post! We were thinking alike again....a liberal and a conservative....apocalypse is nigh.
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I'm beginning to think we are in the middle and everyone else is nuts. Don't tell them I said that though.

This is PM, right?
 
ambrosia said:
Not too slippery, not to me anyway. I think there are very clear differences on how we should be accommodated at school work and being able to do business....with businesses lol. But how we should be accommodated by individuals? I don't think I have any right to make say, individuals I've never even met accommodate me. I do see that as an imposition on them.
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businesses do accommodate disabled patrons. and schools do their best to accomodate disabled students. both are required by laws to do it. and it's out of respect too. I don't see it as imposition.

from OP - #1 is reasonable. #2 is not but it's something to think about... not as law though. many high schools have spanish/french/german classes but since Spanish and ASL are one of the largest "foreign" languages in America.... I think it would be in our best interest to learn those.
 
Jiro said:
businesses do accommodate disabled patrons. and schools do their best to accomodate disabled students. both are required by laws to do it.

from OP - #1 is reasonable. #2 is not but it's something to think about... not as law though. many high schools have spanish/french/german classes but since Spanish and ASL are one of the largest "foreign" languages in America.... I think it would be in our best interest to learn those.
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Yea...

but like usual...ASL is put in the back burner because it is viewed as the "disability" language. Not good enough, I guess.
 
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