linebacker says he was dismissed because of his sexual orientation

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Jamie Kuntz started to tear up when he was told that he had been dismissed from the North Dakota State College of Science football team on Sept. 3; in the freshman linebacker's mind, he had done nothing wrong.

But two days earlier, Kuntz's coach, Chuck Parsons, had pulled him off the team bus and asked him about a "distraction" that had occurred in the press box during the Wildcats' blowout loss to Snow College during the Mile High Shootout in Pueblo, Colo.

By the end of the day on Sept. 3, Kuntz was packing up his locker and he believes it's because of his sexual orientation.

Kuntz, 18, had been injured much of fall camp and had only practiced a couple days prior to the trip. So, the coaching staff asked him to film the game from the press box. While in the press box, Kuntz invited his 65-year-old boyfriend, who lives in Colorado, to join him to watch the game. During the second half of the 63-17 blowout, Kuntz took a minute away from the camera to kiss his boyfriend. The kiss was caught by some of Kuntz's teammates and word started to spread.

Up until that point, Kuntz had hidden the fact that he was gay.

"He pulls me off the bus to talk to me and he said, 'What was going on in the press box?'" Kuntz told Yahoo! Sports. "So I was like, 'What are you talking about? I don't know what you're talking about.' I was playing stupid. And he goes, 'People said that you were distracting them the whole game.'

"At that point I kind of knew, but when he said the whole game, I felt like he was trying to put the loss on me. When you guys lose by 40 points, there's no way a distraction like that is going to throw a whole team off in the second half. So, when he said that, I was like, 'Oh nothing, it was just my grandpa up there with me.'"

Kuntz eventually came clean with his coach when the team got back to Wahpeton, N.D., and apologized for lying. He said he expected a punishment, but didn't think he would be dismissed.

"I asked him if I could get a suspension or any extra conditioning because I thought it was a little rash for him to be kicking me off for this," Kuntz said. "And he said, 'Um, no. We just decided it's too big of a distraction.' So, I didn't want to bring [the kiss] up. You're not going to tell the truth anyway. I don't know if he's homophobic. I can't tell in his heart, but what happened, in my experience, I was getting cheated.

"To be honest, I thought he was going to kind of leave the door open for it to be my decision, what I wanted to do. But he said I was too big of a distraction to have on the team still, so I just grabbed my stuff and left."

Parsons gave Kuntz a letter outlining the reasons for his dismissal and cited the school's player's manual. In the letter, he wrote: "Your actions on the evening of 9/1/2012, while representing NDSCS and the NDSCS football program, reflected poorly on the program. Your decisions and conduct on the night in question clearly fall into the 'Conduct deemed detrimental to the team' category. Your actions/conduct during the game was a distraction to your teammates who were looking to the press box as the game was being played. This decision was arrived at solely on the basis of your conduct during the football game and because you chose not to be truthful with me when I confronted you about whom else was in the box with you. Any conduct by any member of the program that would cause such a distraction during a game would warrant the same consequences."

Kuntz, who is from Dickinson, N.D., acknowledged that the kiss was more than a "peck" but said it wasn't a "hardcore makeout session."

"I still had to film the game," he said.

And Kuntz had a good reason for initially lying. His sexuality was still largely a secret. With the exception of a couple close friends, Kuntz hadn't told anyone he was gay, not even his mother. He said even if he had wanted to discuss his sexuality with the NDSCS football team, he never felt comfortable doing so because of jokes and comments his teammates made about homosexuals on a daily basis. But what was worse, Kuntz said, is that he was forced to tell his mother about his sexuality because he didn't want to lie about why he had left school.

"It was awful," Kuntz said of coming out that way. "Especially being a football player and trying to make a name for myself. It was one of those things where I wanted to do it on my own time, not when all this happened."

Attempts to reach Parsons were unsuccessful. Instead, the school maintained in a statement that Kuntz, who was celebrated by the school when he chose NDSCS, a junior college that plays in the Midwest Football Conference, despite a scholarship to play fullback at North Dakota State, was dismissed for a violation of team rules and nothing else. The school also offered to honor Kuntz's scholarship, but Kuntz declined.

"Jamie Kuntz is no longer enrolled at the North Dakota State College of Science because he voluntarily withdrew," the statement said. "While a student at the college, Kuntz was a member of the football team. Prior to his withdrawal, he was dismissed from the team for a violation of the football team rules, which are set forth below."

The football team rules state that lying to coaches is a dismissible offense.

Still, Kuntz said he believes he was dismissed because of his sexual orientation. He claimed players on the team had committed infractions such as underage drinking and fighting, which he considered more egregious offenses, and were not dismissed.

"To be honest, I would have rather had coach Parsons just say, don't do this again," Kuntz told Yahoo! Sports. "[Say], when we go on road trips, you can't be in contact with anyone other than your family. I mean, there's things he could have done that I would have rather had done. Now that it's happened, I'm embracing it, but I'd rather be on that team working really hard toward a bigger school."

Kuntz also said he didn't think his boyfriend's age had anything to do with it and that if he had been seen kissing an older woman, "it would have been one of those things where I would have been congratulated on it."

Kuntz said he thought about bringing legal action against NDSCS, but wasn't sure how to go about it. Now, he's just worried about what the story and the dismissal might do to his football future. He applied to the NCAA Clearinghouse and said he's going to reach out to a few FBS schools about becoming a preferred walk-on. He said Washington, Colorado and Minnesota are among his top choices and, according to an article in The Dickinson Press, he did receive interest from Minnesota coming out of high school.

"Usually the players at D-I schools are from bigger cities and they're open to more things," Kuntz said.

"I think [being gay] might draw some schools away from me, obviously, but some schools might be interested. Whatever school I go to, people are all going to be following my story and it's going to bring a lot of things — positive and negative — but there's at least one D-I school out there that's willing to take a chance."

Junior college linebacker says he was dismissed because of his sexual orientation | Dr. Saturday - Yahoo! Sports
 
That's very sad and the discrimination based on sex orientation need to be stopped.
 
That's very sad and the discrimination based on sex orientation need to be stopped.

I couldnt agree with you more... I deal with it all the time b/c Im rarely seen with a girl... It's not my fault I had a double life. I grew up in small town but I went to schools 50 miles away in bigger city. I was a stranger, ya know. No-one cannot say I never been in bed with a woman... never had bjs from woman..none of that. Ppl just want to discriminate me just b/c I didnt grow up with ppl in my community...just totally fucked up! Nobody talks about their sex life b/c it is very privacy. Ppl learn hate and want to pass it on to others and that is why I truly hate homophobics.. I mean, ppl have seen me with women but hardly... No matter or what, you dont lie about a person b/c it's so wrong and hurtful.
 
That's very sad and the discrimination based on sex orientation need to be stopped.

It's regression of society that is the root cause of discrimination. The problem is the false belief that acceptance of immorality leads to progression. The more regression that takes place, the darker and more evil we become as a whole.
 
The gay part of this story of course doesn't bother me at all. BUT him being 18 and involved with a 65 year old is really, really creepy. When did this relationship start, was he 16-17 years old?
 
It's regression of society that is the root cause of discrimination. The problem is the false belief that acceptance of immorality leads to progression. The more regression that takes place, the darker and more evil we become as a whole.

I don't understand about what are you talking about. :confused:
 
Well, the young kid was supposed to have been filming the game, not making out with his old lover.....I find the very big age difference a little gross also....plus I do know if I was at a football game where there surely were a lot of people, and I was caught kissing an 18 year old boy....(and I'm 65)....a lot of people would have become disgusted!.....And I would never even think of doing such a thing!!!....

There is a time and place for everything I believe. That old man was robbing the cradle...And I wonder if the young guys Parents knew that he was dating an old man, probably older than his parents?...If I were that kid's Father, I would have kicked the old guy's arse....Guessing the old man had $$ ??...Still, they could have gotten a room and do what ever they wanted to do in private....why broadcast it at a football game?
 
Well, the young kid was supposed to have been filming the game, not making out with his old lover.....I find the very big age difference a little gross also....plus I do know if I was at a football game where there surely were a lot of people, and I was caught kissing an 18 year old boy....(and I'm 65)....a lot of people would have become disgusted!.....And I would never even think of doing such a thing!!!....

There is a time and place for everything I believe. That old man was robbing the cradle...And I wonder if the young guys Parents knew that he was dating an old man, probably older than his parents?...If I were that kid's Father, I would have kicked the old guy's arse....Guessing the old man had $$ ??...Still, they could have gotten a room and do what ever they wanted to do in private....why broadcast it at a football game?

What grade are you in?

RR, care to explain about why you liked his post?

Do you have problem with my post?

If you find my post seems not make sense or not related to topic so you should PM me so I could change my opinion and correct my statement.

I have difficult time to understand about what article is saying and that why some of my posts aren't relative to topic. Some members, including Reba helped me to clear it out the misunderstood so I can understand so clearly. It isn't great for you to poking me if you find my opinion to be odd or not relative to topic.
 
RR, care to explain about why you liked his post?

Do you have problem with my post?

If you find my post seems not make sense or not related to topic so you should PM me so I could change my opinion and correct my statement.

I have difficult time to understand about what article is saying and that why some of my posts aren't relative to topic. Some members, including Reba helped me to clear it out the misunderstood so I can understand so clearly. It isn't great for you to poking me if you find my opinion to be odd or not relative to topic.

Ahh Foxrac...let the member explain his post to you...he should!...

I've had a verrrrrry long day....but all in all, you're still a favorite of mine and I learn a lot from you!....We all have difference of opinions....and we all do have bad days...and today was one of mine....Peace....
 
Why are you asking?

I'm college student - late sophomore.

The reason I asked your grade level was so I could rephrase using words that you are more familiar with.

Here goes.

People (society) has chosen to have sexual relations with members of the same sex. As a result they want others to believe what they are doing is acceptable as to make their choices seem less evil. The more people that believe it is acceptable is what causes discrimination. In other words, it's like reverse psychology. IE; make the good people out too be the bad people. As time goes on and more people accept it as good it is said to be "progression" of the people (society). The truth is, it's the exact opposite. It was not good to begin with and never will be. So the reality is, it results in "regression" of the people (society), or in other words we become more corrupt as a whole.
 
Ahh Foxrac...let the member explain his post to you...he should!...

I've had a verrrrrry long day....but all in all, you're still a favorite of mine and I learn a lot from you!....We all have difference of opinions....and we all do have bad days...and today was one of mine....Peace....

I just checked article again and found your post #7 helped me to understand.

I found age - 18 and 65 are very huge difference and I think it is gross to see 18 years old have a relationship with 65 years old. I had seen some people, especially in 20's have relationship with old people (over 60) so it is originally for me to see as gross but I just left them alone instead of speak out. I prefer anyone - 20's and 30's, that it.

Other problem - lying and making film other than assignment says so, like filming at romantic instead of football, or along with football are unacceptable behavior. That shows Kuntz doesn't have any common sense so he used sex orientation as excuse to file the complaint for discrimination. He's just playing like victim, that's very stupid.

There are some stupid gay people that you will see and I don't like some gay people, especially stupid behavior and unethical, that's example - Jamie Kuntz.
 
The reason I asked your grade level was so I could rephrase using words that you are more familiar with.

Here goes.

People (society) has chosen to have sexual relations with members of the same sex. As a result they want others to believe what they are doing is acceptable as to make their choices seem less evil. The more people that believe it is acceptable is what causes discrimination. In other words, it's like reverse psychology. IE; make the good people out too be the bad people. As time goes on and more people accept it as good it is said to be "progression" of the people (society). The truth is, it's the exact opposite. It was not good to begin with and never will be. So the reality is, it results in "regression" of the people (society), or in other words we become more corrupt as a whole.

Oh I see - the opinion about same sex is varies by people to people. Some people said it is normal and moral, but some people said it don't.
 
I just checked article again and found your post #7 helped me to understand.

I found age - 18 and 65 are very huge difference and I think it is gross to see 18 years old have a relationship with 65 years old. I had seen some people, especially in 20's have relationship with old people (over 60) so it is originally for me to see as gross but I just left them alone instead of speak out. I prefer anyone - 20's and 30's, that it.

Other problem - lying and making film other than assignment says so, like filming at romantic instead of football, or along with football are unacceptable behavior. That shows Kuntz doesn't have any common sense so he used sex orientation as excuse to file the complaint for discrimination. He's just playing like victim, that's very stupid.

There are some stupid gay people that you will see and I don't like some gay people, especially stupid behavior and unethical, that's example - Jamie Kuntz.

:gpost:
 
The gay part of this story of course doesn't bother me at all. BUT him being 18 and involved with a 65 year old is really, really creepy. When did this relationship start, was he 16-17 years old?

I'm surprised that wasn't the reaction of others from the start. What's more, the relationship likely started when the boy was underage. You've got to wonder where the parents were all this time or what they're thinking now that their son is having a relationship with a pedophile....no nice way of saying it.


Laura
 
I'm surprised that wasn't the reaction of others from the start. What's more, the relationship likely started when the boy was underage. You've got to wonder where the parents were all this time or what they're thinking now that their son is having a relationship with a pedophile....no nice way of saying it.

Laura

Yup, he's adult now and his parent doesn't have any power to fix him, however they could seriously encourage him to get a help. The pedophile is serious issue and the children should know better to not interact with strangers.

Kick this man out is last resort, especially refuse to get a help.
 
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