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[Grayma]

Fetus and embryo are both merely terms for developmental stages - much like infant, or toddler or juvenile. Developmental stages.

Fetus:
noun, plural fe·tus·es. Embryology . (used chiefly of viviparous mammals) the young of an animal in the womb or egg, especially in the later stages of development when the body structures are in the recognizable form of its kind, in humans after the end of the second month of gestation.

Origin:
1350–1400; Middle English < Latin fētus bringing forth of young, hence that which is born, offspring, young still in the womb, equivalent to fē- (v. base attested in L only in noun derivatives, as fēmina woman, fēcundus fecund, etc.; compare Greek thēsthai to suck, milk, Old High German tāan to suck, Old Irish denid (he) sucks) + -tus suffix of v. action

em·bry·o

   [em-bree-oh] Show IPA noun, plural em·bry·os, adjective
noun 1. the young of a viviparous animal, especially of a mammal, in the early stages of development within the womb, in humans up to the end of the second month. Compare fetus.

2. Botany . the rudimentary plant usually contained in the seed.

3. any multicellular animal in a developmental stage preceding birth or hatching.

4. the beginning or rudimentary stage of anything: He charged that the party policy was socialism in embryo.



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[Jiro]

I am.....but I don't think killing should be a parental right

I don't think telling parents what to do is right. Right now.... it's legal so it's not technically "killing".

 

[Jiro]

Killing bothers me, sorry if you can't understand that.

and I'm sorry if you can't understand that it's not killing.

 

[Grayma]

I don't think telling parents what to do is right. Right now.... it's legal so it's not technically "killing".

If it isn't a baby, they aren't parents. Is it a baby, or not?

And of course, you do think it's okay to tell parents what to do. It's right to tell parents not to kill their children, not to beat them, starve them, torture them, molest them, or lock them in a cellar or chain them up. It's okay to tell parents they cannot sell their kids or use them in pornography.

It's okay to tell parents not to abuse their children. I think abortion is horrific child abuse.

And wasn't there a discussion here about the school telling parents they couldn't make their kids' own lunches? Was that okay with you or not?

 

[Jiro]

Then they should be sterilized. Have govt set up a volunteer sterilization program where they are paid to get sterilized. It'd be cheaper for the govt to do this over the long run of things. Less suffering of babies getting aborted for selfish reasons.

oh? why more government control and program? you support that and yet... you don't support Obamacare? interesting. no wonder you guys keep failing to win over people to overturn Roe v. Wade. there's a serious lack of common sense and rationality on your side.

here's a very simple idea. people can voluntarily choose to get on birth control or vasectomy or tubal litigation. instead of wasting time and money on abstinence program like Sarah Palin and Bristol, why don't we educate people more about birth control and vasectomy? cheapest solution and 100% voluntarily. no additional government intrusion and laws.

 

[Jiro]

If it isn't a baby, they aren't parents. Is it a baby, or not?

correct - they're not technically parents since fetus is not a baby yet but I had to speak in your language just to get you to understand.

And of course, you do think it's okay to tell parents what to do. It's right to tell parents not to kill their children, not to beat them, starve them, torture them, molest them, or lock them in a cellar or chain them up. It's okay to tell parents they cannot sell their kids or use them in pornography.

if there's a law, then it's a law. child abuse is illegal. abortion is not.

It's okay to tell parents not to abuse their children. I think abortion is horrific child abuse.

if there's a law, then it's a law. child abuse is illegal. abortion is not.

And wasn't there a discussion here about the school telling parents they couldn't make their kids' own lunches?

no idea.

Was that okay with you or not?

no.

 

[CrazyPaul]

Try and tell that to a pregnant woman in her third trimester that what she have isn't a baby.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FETUS AND A BABY? - Yahoo! Answers

A few commenters explain this:

"A fetus is dependent upon the mother to receive nutrients and oxygen because it is still inside the womb. A baby is outside the womb, and is able to maintain itself without that direct connection to the mother."

"Most doctors consider an unborn child a fetus, and a baby is a child which has been born and taken a breath."

"A fetus does not breath or eat and is within the mother and dependent upon her for oxygen and nourishment.

A baby is a birthed living creature which has been born into the environment and detached from the support systems of the mother. It must breath on it's own for oxygen, and consume foods to digest them for independent nourishment."

 

[Grayma]

Once the Supreme Court ruled that blacks were inferior to whites and not citizens of the united states, so technically, it wasn't infringing on their rights to enslave them.

But there is a law higher than the Supreme Court, one recognized in one of our foremost founding documents:

All men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights....

life.

liberty.

the pursuit of happiness.

 

[Grayma]

Yahoo is hardly a legitimate source.

 

[Jiro]

Once the Supreme Court ruled that blacks were inferior to whites and not citizens of the united states, so technically, it wasn't infringing on their rights to enslave them.

But there is a law higher than the Supreme Court, one recognized in one of our foremost founding documents:

All men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights....

life.

liberty.

the pursuit of happiness.

that's why Supreme Court allow women to have an abortion. It's her life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to choose what to do with her fetus without government interference... and people's interference.

 

[Jiro]

Yahoo is hardly a legitimate source.

If you're going to say that, then please do point out an error in CrazyPaul's post. So far, I see none. It's factual... supported by medical community.

 

[kokonut]

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FETUS AND A BABY? - Yahoo! Answers

A few commenters explain this:

"A fetus is dependent upon the mother to receive nutrients and oxygen because it is still inside the womb. A baby is outside the womb, and is able to maintain itself without that direct connection to the mother."

"Most doctors consider an unborn child a fetus, and a baby is a child which has been born and taken a breath."

"A fetus does not breath or eat and is within the mother and dependent upon her for oxygen and nourishment.

A baby is a birthed living creature which has been born into the environment and detached from the support systems of the mother. It must breath on it's own for oxygen, and consume foods to digest them for independent nourishment."

Again, try and tell a pregnant woman in her third trimester that what she is carrying isn't a baby. And I'm sure you'll get her ire for that.

 

[greenfrog775]

The deaf and the hearing?

Why do people assume and even people in the deaf community assume that they are different from hearing this is NOT true not in my world.

 

[kokonut]

Why do people assume and even people in the deaf community assume that they are different from hearing this is NOT true not in my world.

What is your world exactly?

 

[Jiro]

Again, try and tell a pregnant woman in her third trimester that what she is carrying isn't a baby. And I'm sure you'll get her ire for that.

uh in case you didn't know - abortion is illegal after that unless otherwise noted by doctors. it's very obvious that the fetus mentioned in his post is not referring to third trimester.

 

[LoveBlue]

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FETUS AND A BABY? - Yahoo! Answers

A few commenters explain this:

"A fetus is dependent upon the mother to receive nutrients and oxygen because it is still inside the womb. A baby is outside the womb, and is able to maintain itself without that direct connection to the mother."
"Most doctors consider an unborn child a fetus, and a baby is a child which has been born and taken a breath."

"A fetus does not breath or eat and is within the mother and dependent upon her for oxygen and nourishment.

A baby is a birthed living creature which has been born into the environment and detached from the support systems of the mother. It must breath on it's own for oxygen, and consume foods to digest them for independent nourishment."

I've been waiting for this. So, when the baby is born and detached from it's mother, just put it on the floor and let it take care of itself as it is now able to maintain itself.

And what about children & adults who are on various life-support for whatever reason. We can "abort" them? Even if the life-support is temporary? A connection to a mother via the umbilical cord is also temporary (approx 9 months).

Double standards as usual to support one's views (not directed at anyone specifically AD...to all who believe abortions are ok).

 

[CrazyPaul]

Again, try and tell a pregnant woman in her third trimester that what she is carrying isn't a baby. And I'm sure you'll get her ire for that.

I would say something to her like "oh, you are having a baby". Not "oh, you have a baby". That's a big difference as per grammar rules.

 

[CrazyPaul]

I've been waiting for this. So, when the baby is born and detached from it's mother, just put it on the floor and let it take care of itself as it is now able to maintain itself.

It means that a baby can breath and suck the mother's nipples on his/her own.

 

[Jiro]

I've been waiting for this. So, when the baby is born and detached from it's mother, just put it on the floor and let it take care of itself as it is now able to maintain itself.

not even going to touch this because it's ridiculous and emotionally-charged.

And what about children & adults who are on various life-support for whatever reason. We can "abort" them? Even if the life-support is temporary? A connection to a mother via the umbilical cord is also temporary (approx 9 months).

simple - we follow the law. the law allows spouse or parent to decide on their loved one's fate when it comes to pulling a plug or not.

Double standards as usual to support one's views (not directed at anyone specifically AD...to all who believe abortions are ok).

no double standard in here. only emotionally-charged examples that are even too ridiculous to argue with because ya'all can't even discuss with it in an intellectual manner. that's why Supreme Court remains unconvinced since Roe v. Wade.

 

[kokonut]

I would say something to her like "oh, you are having a baby". Not "oh, you have a baby". That's a big difference as per grammar rules.

Yet they'll insist it is a baby, "my baby," while patting her tummy and certainly not say, "my fetus." And to them, they do have a baby. Try and tell them differently they don't and not something they'll have once it pass thru that magical barrier and become a baby.