A hate crime....

[jillio]

I disagree, Jiro. I was trying to help PEOPLE through my work, not races.

Every human being is equal in my book. No one is better than another.

Yep. There's the problem. You are attempting to ignore race. That, in and of itself, it the result of white male priviledge and a very, very dangerous practice when attempting to "help people". Again, in what capacity do you work with poor African Americans who are dually diagnosed?

 

[DaveM]

Not necessarily. You apparently never learned to quesion your own ethnocentric assumptions.

You failed to address my first question. Why do you keep avoiding things? I have directed you backward several times now, once at your request, and you are still avoiding.

I think that my upbringing is a little more valuable than sitting through a diversity class taught by a white male who lives in a place where the most ethnically diverse thing in his neighborhood is the Obama 08 sticker on his Prius. Lol.

Which question jillio? I will happily answer any.

 

[DaveM]

Yep. There's the problem. You are attempting to ignore race. That, in and of itself, it the result of white male priviledge and a very, very dangerous practice when attempting to "help people". Again, in what capacity do you work with poor African Americans who are dually diagnosed?

My problem is that I don't look at people through the prism of color enough?

I was a music therapist for people who suffered from both mental issues and drug dependency issues.

 

[jillio]

I think that my upbringing is a little more valuable than sitting through a diversity class taught by a white male who lives in a place where the most ethnically diverse thing in his neighborhood is the Obama 08 sticker on his Prius. Lol.

Which question jillio? I will happily answer any.

No, not if you have not learned to question your own ethnocentric perspective it isn't. Obviously, from what you are saying, you believe that race can simply be ignored when addressing the social ills and when dealing with dually diagnosed clients from a different cultural background than your own. That is a very, very harmful attitude to bring to your work, and probably the biggest reason that you are not seeing success.

You are making quite a few assumptions, there. And they are obviously from a dominant white male perspective.

I have directed you back to the questions any number of times. You simply ignore them.

I will ask this one again: in what capacity do you work with dually diagnosed African Americans? In a minute, I will go back and give you the post 3's to the others that you are purposely ignoring.

 

[jillio]

My problem is that I don't look at people through the prism of color enough?

I was a music therapist for people who suffered from both mental issues and drug dependency issues.

Ahhhh....that explains it.

Your problem is that you are ignoring race and culture. You cannot possibly be meeting people where they are, because you refuse to understand and consider the impact that race and culture has on the individual. Very white male attitude. Very ethnocentric attitude.

Talk to a few of the trained therapists you must encounter in that clinic. I'm sure they will be happy to explain to you why your convictions have no place in a therapeutic setting.

Now, if you will, the points in Post #'s 416 and 455.

 

[DaveM]

Ahhhh....that explains it.

Your problem is that you are ignoring race and culture. You cannot possibly be meeting people where they are, because you refuse to understand and consider the impact that race and culture has on the individual. Very white male attitude. Very ethnocentric attitude.

Talk to a few of the trained therapists you must encounter in that clinic. I'm sure they will be happy to explain to you why your convictions have no place in a therapeutic setting.

With all due respect, jillio, you sound very much like a white liberal who perhaps have not had much diversity in your personal life. Am I right?

I am a certified counselor. I grew up in these neighborhoods and went to these schools.

I don't want to break the news to you but although different people share different cultures, we are all very much alike!! I know it comes a shock to some people, but it's true.

Color, religion, sexuality, ability, disability, does not define you. Your personality does

 

[Jiro]

I had the best multi cultural training available! One that can't be learned in any university or with the highest degrees - I grew up in a multi cultural neighborhood, went to a multi cultural school, and my friends, family, neighbors and loved ones are multi cultural! A tad better than books, no?

Completely understandable but you can do a much better job in helping people if you had a formal training in it in order to understand this extremely complex issue.

I disagree, Jiro. I was trying to help PEOPLE through my work, not races.

Every human being is equal in my book. No one is better than another.

yes I understand but here's a problem - you are trying to help people without understanding their underlying cultural, societal background.

That's why you pinned the blame on Democrats-Republicans. This shows that you do not understand it at all. If you really want to effectively help them, it doesn't hurt to take courses in it.

 

[jillio]

With all due respect, jillio, you sound very much like a white liberal who perhaps have not had much diversity in your personal life. Am I right?

I am a certified counselor. I grew up in these neighborhoods and went to these schools.

I don't want to break the news to you but although different people share different cultures, we are all very much alike!! I know it comes a shock to some people, but it's true.

Color, religion, sexuality, ability, disability, does not define you. Your personality does

Not much divesity in my personal life.

What license do you hold?

You are scary if you are a certified counselor. You need some serious CE.

 

[DaveM]

Not much divesity in my personal life.

What license do you hold?

You are scary if you are a certified counselor. You need some serious CE.

I had the proper certification required by the State, as well as all mandatory training classes required by the city.

Acknowledging diversity is important. Treating them as a race is insulting.

I think somebody said "judge not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character." Powerful words indeed!

 

[Jiro]

I had the proper certification required by the State, as well as all mandatory training classes required by the city.

Acknowledging diversity is important. Treating them as a race is insulting.

I think somebody said "judge not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character." Powerful words indeed!

Treating them the same as white is also insulting because they are not white nor do share same belief as white.

 

[rolling7]

answer to post #416

Republicans have not held power consistently neither.

 

[DaveM]

Completely understandable but you can do a much better job in helping people if you had a formal training in it in order to understand this extremely complex issue.


yes I understand but here's a problem - you are trying to help people without understanding their underlying cultural, societal background.

That's why you pinned the blame on Democrats-Republicans. This shows that you do not understand it at all. If you really want to effectively help them, it doesn't hurt to take courses in it.

You could be right about me blaming Dems or Repubs. But you could be wrong, too.

 

[jillio]

I had the proper certification required by the State, as well as all mandatory training classes required by the city.

Acknowledging diversity is important. Treating them as a race is insulting.

I think somebody said "judge not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character." Powerful words indeed!

In other words, you are not an LPC or an LPCC. You are a certified music therapist, not a licensed counselor.

You have much to learn regarding multicultural competence.

And I agree with MLK. Unfortunately, you are misinterpreting his words because you are reading them with your own cultural bias in place.

 

[jillio]

answer to post #416

Republicans have not held power consistently neither.

I wasn't talking to you. That goes without saying.

Orderlies, he's out of his room again!

 

[jillio]

Treating them the same as white is also insulting because they are not white nor do share same belief as white.

There it is.

 

[DaveM]

In other words, you are not an LPC or an LPCC. You are a certified music therapist, not a licensed counselor.

You have much to learn regarding multicultural competence.

And I agree with MLK. Unfortunately, you are misinterpreting his words because you are reading them with your own cultural bias in place.

Can you recommend which white owned college, with a white board of trustees, and a majority of white professors, white provost, mostly white board of certification, and probably a white dean is best equipped to tell me how to relate to my African American brother in law and my African American nieces and nephews?

Or maybe how I should enjoy the company of my neighbors and coworkers and how to best relate to them?

 

[Jiro]

You could be right about me blaming Dems or Repubs. But you could be wrong, too.

You said it, not me. I'm just observing based on what you posted. You pinned the blame on some government, Democrats, etc. This "blame" thing typically most-often used when one failed to improve the situation and sees it gone to waste. This frustration is completely understandable but it's misguided.

your logical next course of action is to get a college education on it if you're really intended to help them again.

 

[Jiro]

Can you recommend which white owned college, with a white board of trustees, and a majority of white professors, white provost, mostly white board of certification, and probably a white dean is best equipped to tell me how to relate to my African American brother in law and my African American nieces and nephews?

Or maybe how I should enjoy the company of my neighbors and coworkers and how to best relate to them?

lol hmmm..... University of Alabama? Kentucky State University? Delaware State University? these colleges have over 70% African-American students

 

[jillio]

Can you recommend which white owned college, with a white board of trustees, and a majority of white professors, white provost, mostly white board of certification, and probably a white dean is best equipped to tell me how to relate to my African American brother in law and my African American nieces and nephews?

Or maybe how I should enjoy the company of my neighbors and coworkers and how to best relate to them?

Wow! Defensiveness. A hallmark of ethnocentricty and a refusal to examine one's own privilege.:roll:

Here's a thought: ask your African American brother-in-law about it. But if you come across as you have just now, he probably won't be willing to discuss it. You have to approach him from where he is, not from your paternizing "we are all the same" position.

 

[DaveM]

You said it, not me. I'm just observing based on what you posted. You pinned the blame on some government, Democrats, etc. This "blame" thing typically most-often used when one failed to improve the situation and sees it gone to waste. This frustration is completely understandable but it's misguided.

your logical next course of action is to get a college education on it if you're really intended to help them again.

Even though I'd love to, I never set out to change race relations or the world. Admirable, yes. But I'm pretty much some dope who's getting hungry for pancakes at the moment...

Although even if I did set out to do that, don't forget....government is in the way.