The Forces Pushing Deaf Kids Away From Sign Language

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The Forces Pushing Deaf Kids Away From Sign Language - Technology - The Atlantic Wire

Future deaf Americans could do a lot less signing and a lot more speaking. Cuts in Indiana could slash budgets for state schools for the deaf, forcing some children to attend "mainstream" schools, where they have less exposure to sign language. Sign language advocates are outraged. “Speaking and listening classrooms across the nation are known for their forced exclusion of A.S.L. and expressly forbid any contact with the culturally deaf adult role models,”Marvin Miller, the president of the Indiana Association of the Deaf, told The New York Times's Monica Davey.

This means more talking, less signing. And the phenomenon isn't unique to Indiana. "Today less than 20 percent of all families choose traditional American Sign Language," claims Hear Indiana, a group that supports deaf people who use listening and spoken language to communicate, reports the Times. "The remaining 80 percent want their children to enjoy the full range of sounds and to be able to listen and speak." But are strained state budgets the real backbone behind these numbers, or are more deaf children and their parents shying away from signing for other reasons?

Yes, budget cuts are pushing students away from sign language. Parents can choose to send their children to a deaf school or not. But as the economy has worsened, tightening budgets have caused states like Indiana, Kansas, North Carolina, Oregon, South Dakota and West Virginia to cut money for state-funded schools for the deaf. “Kids in the mainstream save society, taxpayers, a significant amount of money in the short-term and in the long-term when it comes to being integrated into the hearing world,” Naomi S. Horton, executive director of Hear Indiana, told Davey. The costs of a separate facility and transportation makes educating these children costlier than sending them to their neighborhood public school.

Putting deaf students in these schools encourages other types of communication besides sign language. “We view this as inflicting violence upon thousands of innocent deaf and hard-of-hearing babies — taking away their language and pinning their hopes on dismal success rates of cochlear implants,” Miller explained.

No, technology is the really behind these changes. Even if budget cuts force deaf children into mainstream schools, with better technology deaf students have new methods of communication, other than sign language. Cochlear implants, a small, electronic device that provides a sense of sound to a deaf person, have helped the hard of hearing communicate better. "Advanced technology is transforming the way the deaf relate to the hearing world, most notably in the form of cochlear ear implants which can restore significant measures of hearing, especially in young recipients," Yahoo's Will Stape explains.

Not all agree on the benefits of the device. "Cochlear implant advocates say the devices have a far higher success rate than critics claim, while A.S.L. advocates say the popularity of such devices is drastically overstated," reports Davey. No matter how impactful, neither side can deny that the technology exists and it will probably only get better.

No, parents decide how to raise their kids. Ultimately, parents decide how to raise their children. Some parents of deaf children see benefits in sending their kids to mainstream school. "I know that my husband and I wish very much for our 14-year-old son Charlie to be as integrated into mainstream society as possible," explains Kristina C., comparing the situation to the one she manages with her autistic child. "For years, we insisted that he be educated in the public schools in our towns," finally deciding he had to be moved.

If parents choose to place their children in situations where there's less of an emphasis on signing, that's their choice. They don't see it as an attack on sign language. “No one wants to take the ASL option away; we simply want to see that parents who choose listening and spoken language instruction (over placement at the Indiana School for the Deaf) have equal access to a free and appropriate public education," Naomi Horton, the executive director of Hear Indiana told the Times.

Whether it's budgets, technology or personal choice, sign language isn't for everyone.
 
No one wants to take the ASL option away; we simply want to see that parents who choose listening and spoken language instruction (over placement at the Indiana School for the Deaf) have equal access to a free and appropriate public education," Naomi Horton, the executive director of Hear Indiana told the Times.
OH GAWD......you ALREADY DO!!!!!! I know this type of lady....she's the very same type of oralist who insists that their kid has all the advantages of the hearing world, but then starts whining that there's nothing for oral deaf kids. (ie camps and things like that) You've got the option. Send them to either mainstream oral classrooms OR send them to Clarke!
 
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oral classrooms do not forbid contact with culturally Deaf people. That is ridiculous. My daughter's school has culturally ***********s with deaf children with CIs. They certainly have NEVER expressed any sort of preference about who she socializes with. None of her schools have. They have all expressed that they completely support our goal to have a bilingual bicultural child and they are key in providing that bilingualism by helping to teach her english.
 
What word got starred out? Can you re-type, leaving a space between each letter? There's something about AD programming that seems to randomly censor certain words, for no clear reason.
 
Been saying it for years. We are seeing a revival of the same old type of oralism we saw years ago as a result of technology. People just do not get it. And the kids continue to suffer the consequences. Same old consequences, same old methodology, same old rhetoric. :roll:
 
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oral classrooms do not forbid contact with culturally Deaf people. That is ridiculous. My daughter's school has culturally ***********s with deaf children with CIs. They certainly have NEVER expressed any sort of preference about who she socializes with. None of her schools have. They have all expressed that they completely support our goal to have a bilingual bicultural child and they are key in providing that bilingualism by helping to teach her english.

Bilingual bicultural in an oral educational placement? Anyone else see the contradiction here?:laugh2:
 
Been saying it for years. We are seeing a revival of the same old type of oralism we saw years ago as a result of technology. People just do not get it. And the kids continue to suffer the consequences. Same old consequences, same old methodology, same old rhetoric. :roll:

i think ti's like the 1030s all over again.

I mean 1930s. :Oops:
 
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the word i typed was deaf parent.

a child who is bilingual needs to learn BOTH languages, so yes, a spoken english setting certainly can support bilingualism.
 
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Educational placement oral. That is not a bilingual bicultural environment.:laugh2: Can't have it both ways. Just admit that you are an oralist now and get over it.:D
 
Bilingual bicultural in an oral educational placement? Anyone else see the contradiction here?:laugh2:

HAHAHAHAHAH Yup. Although there IS a program in the UK at Mary Hare
Who does Mary Hare Primary School cater for?
faire jour, they may not be as anti ASL as they were back in the old days. Heck, a lot of the private oral programs have pretty much accepted that a lot of us will learn ASL as a second language. But the unspoken attitude is " the most important thing is speech, speech and more speech." They accept ASL, but it's VERY tokenist. It's still " Oh whatever, it's just for oral failures or a backup." Speech therapy is the only thing kids need.
 
And you know what? I predict that while implanted kids are doing pretty well...ie they don't need years and years of attending Clarke and CID and other schools , a lot of them are going to discover ASL and Deaf schools and be all " I wish I'd gone to deaf schools." Jillo is already seeing it! And quite frankly I think that oral deaf education/mainstreamers are BEYOND clueless about what life is like in the mainstream for dhh kids.
It's like they have this fanasty that kids who are mainstreamed and oral have this glorious white picket fence experiance....all I can say is that I went to the Clarke School conference and they were parrotting the same crap they did when I, shel90, and Bajagirl were in the system.
 
If parents choose to place their children in situations where there's less of an emphasis on signing, that's their choice. They don't see it as an attack on sign language. “No one wants to take the ASL option away; we simply want to see that parents who choose listening and spoken language instruction (over placement at the Indiana School for the Deaf) have equal access to a free and appropriate public education," Naomi Horton, the executive director of Hear Indiana told the Times.

Whether it's budgets, technology or personal choice, sign language isn't for everyone.

So you really want to see them choose speaking over signing because what you want to see. While you claimed,

No one wants to take the ASL option away; [...]

To me, that is so bullshit. If no one does, why did you write the title: "The Forces Pushing Deaf Kids Away From Sign Language"? What is suppose that means??

It just frustrates me that sign languages are STILL inferior and unworthy. Sighs. :roll:
 
Again, I think a lot of the Hear parents would be surprised at what goes on at a Deaf School or a dhh program.....I mean there are HOH kids at TONS of deaf schools. HOH kids! That says a lot!
 
What a F****** B****** !!!

F***** these oralists and f***** the view of mainstreaming as better.


AUDIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
i certainly feeeeel sorrrrry for the little kids that they would misss out for the comforty cozy relaxing converation to their own world and are force to be like hearing people.


I am so glad that i was born in my time where i have TONS of friends who are in the similiarity life as mine. I have a freaking good life that we have beautiful ASL. I have seen most of deaf or hoh who have not experience with ASL and their life seems too hard. I feel bad for the little kids no matter what if they speak wonderfully but soul and self signism that is so screw up.. i mean it!
 
i certainly feeeeel sorrrrry for the little kids that they would misss out for the comforty cozy relaxing converation to their own world and are force to be like hearing people.


I am so glad that i was born in my time where i have TONS of friends who are in the similiarity life as mine. I have a freaking good life that we have beautiful ASL. I have seen most of deaf or hoh who have not experience with ASL and their life seems too hard. I feel bad for the little kids no matter what if they speak wonderfully but soul and self signism that is so screw up.. i mean it!

Yes, you were sooooo lucky and blessed. I was born in the same era as you were but unfortunately, this view took precedence over the path in my life and almost destroyed me as a person.
 
Yes, you were sooooo lucky and blessed. I was born in the same era as you were but unfortunately, this view took precedence over the path in my life and almost destroyed me as a person.

first of all, i am sorry about your experience but you found your way to a sweet home called "ASL". I am pissed off that they are focusing on speaking and listening.. Sure deaf people can do it but come on they have the best visual in their minds. They are LOST in their own self signism ( i make up for word self signism) i am sooooo glad to meet you in person and your ASL is beautiful like you have been signing all your life! But you just learned a few yearsago and asl fits you right away with no doubts. you know? it does happen to others who just learn ASL when you are with the asl users go so smooth. :( Iknow I know some deaf kids who speaks good and feel no need to learn ASL. that is cool for me but wonder how do they handle by struggling like saying "what, can you repeat or oh no my batteries die or go on" while asl users chats non stop alllllll the way and makes beautiful noises. :lol:

i said enough lol
 
first of all, i am sorry about your experience but you found your way to a sweet home called "ASL". I am pissed off that they are focusing on speaking and listening.. Sure deaf people can do it but come on they have the best visual in their minds. They are LOST in their own self signism ( i make up for word self signism) i am sooooo glad to meet you in person and your ASL is beautiful like you have been signing all your life! But you just learned a few yearsago and asl fits you right away with no doubts. you know? it does happen to others who just learn ASL when you are with the asl users go so smooth. :( Iknow I know some deaf kids who speaks good and feel no need to learn ASL. that is cool for me but wonder how do they handle by struggling like saying "what, can you repeat or oh no my batteries die or go on" while asl users chats non stop alllllll the way and makes beautiful noises. :lol:

i said enough lol

What I dont understand is that these parents or people with this kind of view see mainstreaming as their deaf child as being around normal kids not realizing that they are putting their children in a position as being the "abnormal" one, for a lack of better word.

Also, deaf children are just as good enough as hearing kids but with this view, it is like other deaf children arent good enough for their kids to associate with.

See the irony here? It can send a message to these kids that they arent good enough.
 
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