Beatdown of transgendered in Baltimore, MD McDonalds

[jillio]

I was a kid, and it made an impression on me.

Yes, I realize you were being snarky.


No, that's not correct.

The right to justice isn't dependent on a motive of hate.

The victim has the right to justice, whether or not the perpetrator hates the victim.

Why restrict justice?

The charge of a hate crime, in no way, restricts justice.

 

[jillio]

but the thing is...

assault and assault with a deadly weapon. robbery and armed robbery. it is distinguished from each other based on one's action and the severity of it.... not one's sexual orientation or skin color or religious belief.

And so is assault with a deadly weapon, and assault in the commission of a hate crime. It is all about action, and what the intent of the person committing that act was at the time. Was it to prevent further abuse (as in the case of domestic violence) or was it to cause pain and suffering based on one's sexual orientation or skin color.

 

[Reba]

And so is assault with a deadly weapon, and assault in the commission of a hate crime. It is all about action, and what the intent of the person committing that act was at the time. Was it to prevent further abuse (as in the case of domestic violence) or was it to cause pain and suffering based on one's sexual orientation or skin color.

...to prevent further abuse... or to cause pain and suffering PERIOD.

 

[jillio]

...to prevent further abuse... or to cause pain and suffering PERIOD.

And why does one want to cause that pain and suffering? Out of feelings of revenge for the pain and suffering they themselves have suffered at the hands of their victim...or just because they hate Blacks, and transgendered, and homosexuals, and Mexicans, etc.?

In other words, attacking someone who is no threat to you or your life simply because you don't like their skin color or the way they live their live, and believing you are justified in doing so, requires a degree of inhumanity and delusional beliefs of superiority of self that deserve punishment when used as the motive for a crime.

Have we learned nothing from the lynchings of Black men and boys throughout the South?

 

[Reba]

And why does one want to cause that pain and suffering? Out of feelings of revenge for the pain and suffering they themselves have suffered at the hands of their victim...or just because they hate Blacks, and transgendered, and homosexuals, and Mexicans, etc.?

Or because they're sadistic SOB's who enjoy using their power to cause suffering for their entertainment, and they don't care who they hurt.

In other words, attacking someone who is no threat to you or your life simply because you don't like their skin color or the way they live their live, and believing you are justified in doing so, requires a degree of inhumanity and delusional beliefs of superiority of self that deserve punishment when used as the motive for a crime.

Of course, they should be punished severely for attacking another person, whether or not they believe they are justified for doing the attack. What the attacker "believes" is irrelevant--the attack is against the law, and against society.

Have we learned nothing from the lynchings of Black men and boys throughout the South?

Yes, we have. When lynchings of anyone of any color happen, the perpetrators are arrested and tried. If they are found guilty, they are sentenced to punishment. Lynching is no longer ignored like it was in the past.

 

[jillio]

Or because they're sadistic SOB's who enjoy using their power to cause suffering for their entertainment, and they don't care who they hurt.


Of course, they should be punished severely for attacking another person, whether or not they believe they are justified for doing the attack. What the attacker "believes" is irrelevant--the attack is against the law, and against society.


Yes, we have. When lynchings of anyone of any color happen, the perpetrators are arrested and tried. If they are found guilty, they are sentenced to punishment. Lynching is no longer ignored like it was in the past.

In which case they deserve additional punishment that is provided for under the hate crime statutes. So you are saying that beating the hell out of someone in the name of hate is okay as long as they don't lynch them?

Is this the same Reba that wanted a mentally ill kid locked up in prison, even though he was never convicted of the crime he was accused, simply because there was some minute chance that he might hurt someone at some point in the future?

 

[Reba]

In which case they deserve additional punishment that is provided for under the hate crime statutes. So you are saying that beating the hell out of someone in the name of hate is okay as long as they don't lynch them?

No, I didn't say that at all.

People who attack others, whether by beating, lynching, or any other means, should be punished by the law.

Is this the same Reba that wanted a mentally ill kid locked up in prison, even though he was never convicted of the crime he was accused, simply because there was some minute chance that he might hurt someone at some point in the future?

I didn't say that either. You better go back and check your notes.

 

[jillio]

No, I didn't say that at all.

People who attack others, whether by beating, lynching, or any other means, should be punished by the law.


I didn't say that either. You better go back and check your notes.

Don't need to check my notes. We have the threads.

 

[Reba]

Don't need to check my notes. We have the threads.

Then you know that I didn't say that.

 

[Jiro]

Jiro, each crime has a requirement of intent. There are different kinds of intent. No crimes can exist that don't require intent.

However you add hate into the equation, it's still what the jury reads that counts.

Judges don't have as much discretion as you think. Judges have special training and are accountable for their decisions via appeal. The only exception I can think of is a family law judge. Lots of discretion.

hate, greed, anger, jealousy, etc. they're all same thing. people were murdered and murderers will be held accountable for it.

 

[jillio]

Then you know that I didn't say that.

Nope, it was obvious in the thread that I am referring to that is exactly what you said. Any number of times you wanted to know why a mentally ill kid was not locked up in a jail somewhere.

 

[jillio]

hate, greed, anger, jealousy, etc. they're all same thing. people were murdered and murderers will be held accountable for it.

Hardly the same thing at all. I refer you to the law library.

 

[Reba]

Nope, it was obvious in the thread that I am referring to that is exactly what you said. Any number of times you wanted to know why a mentally ill kid was not locked up in a jail somewhere.

Nope.

I said criminals should be locked up in prisons.

I said that if mental patients escape from centers that are residential areas, the police and public should be notified immediately.

I said that adults shouldn't be in facilities and programs that were designed and promoted for children.

I said that centers that take in violent offenders shouldn't be set up in the middle of residential areas in close proximity to elder care facilities.

 

[jillio]

Nope.

I said criminals should be locked up in prisons.

I said that if mental patients escape from centers that are residential areas, the police and public should be notified immediately.

I said that adults shouldn't be in facilities and programs that were designed and promoted for children.

I said that centers that take in violent offenders shouldn't be set up in the middle of residential areas in close proximity to elder care facilities.

That may be what you thought you said.

Then go out there and campaign to change the law. As it stands, you don't have a leg to stand on.

Tell you what...let's just bring back the penal system and treatment of mentally ill patients to the 1600. I'm all for bringing back trephining, how about you?:roll:
And while we're at it, we can reinstate the law that says homosexuals are criminals. Then we can beat the shit out of them anytime we want to and no one will give a damn.

 

[Reba]

That may be what you thought you said.

Prove otherwise.

Then go out there and campaign to change the law. As it stands, you don't have a leg to stand on.

My state legislators are doing that now.

Tell you what...let's just bring back the penal system and treatment of mentally ill patients to the 1600. I'm all for bringing back trephining, how about you?:roll:

Talk about misrepresenting what I posted. Wow!

And while we're at it, we can reinstate the law that says homosexuals are criminals. Then we can beat the shit out of them anytime we want to and no one will give a damn.

Another total misrepresentation of what I've posted.

I guess you've run out of legitimate arguments, so now you're making emotional rants. Sigh....

 

[kokonut]

Pretty sad, Reba.

 

[jillio]

Prove otherwise.


My state legislators are doing that now.


Talk about misrepresenting what I posted. Wow!


Another total misrepresentation of what I've posted.

I guess you've run out of legitimate arguments, so now you're making emotional rants. Sigh....

Already been proven. Your words remain in black and white in the thread which was referenced.

No misrepresentation at all. Whether you realize it or not, your posts are coming across to many as anti-gay.

My final argument is very rational. If you are so against those who have been oppressed in the past to a degree that protected groups that fall under hate crimes have been, then go out there, dig up some supporters, and change the law.

 

[jillio]

Pretty sad, Reba.

Yes, prejudice against others is a sad thing.

 

[Reba]

Already been proven. Your words remain in black and white in the thread which was referenced.

That's right. You're just counting on no one reading them all because you know that I'm right.

No misrepresentation at all. Whether you realize it or not, your posts are coming across to many as anti-gay.

That's ridiculous. Throughout this entire thread I've stated over and over, from the beginning (post #2), that anyone who attacks another person should be fully prosecuted.

 

[Reba]

...My final argument is very rational. If you are so against those who have been oppressed in the past to a degree that protected groups that fall under hate crimes have been, then go out there, dig up some supporters, and change the law.

I guess you added this edit after I replied.

Change which law specifically?