Deaf culture as point of pride? It’s more a curse

Beach girl said:
Are you arguing that a sociologist who is a recognized expert doesn't get argument from other recognized experts???

Everybody gets arguments. Even experts.

Will you write the Globe, as an expert yourself?
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Where are the other experts disagreeing with Lane? I certainly don't see them. All I see in this thread is one bitter old man that is angered by the very idea of Deaf Culture and a few individuals attempting to defend his position.

And disagreement certainly doesn't lessen the degree of expertise held by an individual. Especially when coming from one who has no experience in that which he/she is disagreeing with.

As I said, how do you know I haven't. You have no way of knowing how or when I speak out publicly regarding issues pertaining to Deaf Culture.
 
This is true. That's why I'm asking.

How much do you know about hard-of-hearing culture? I'm not being sarcastic, just asking. Seems to be a difference between the HofH, like this man, and the Deaf.
 
Beach girl said:
This is true. That's why I'm asking.

How much do you know about hard-of-hearing culture? I'm not being sarcastic, just asking. Seems to be a difference between the HofH, like this man, and the Deaf.
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There is a HOH culture? From my understanding it is either the deaf or hoh associate themselves with the hearing world or associate themselves with the Deaf culture.

If there is a HOH culture, can you pls explain it?
 
Beach girl said:
This is true. That's why I'm asking.

How much do you know about hard-of-hearing culture? I'm not being sarcastic, just asking. Seems to be a difference between the HofH, like this man, and the Deaf.
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There is no HOH culture. An HOH person will generally identify as Deaf culturally or hearing culturally.
 
AlleyCat said:
That was my thought too. There doesn't seem to be an in-between.
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I've never seen it. And since language is a huge part of culture, the HOH do not have a language specific to them. They either use spoken English or sign.
 
You just have to choose one word either HOH or Deaf Culture. I thought that would be fitting to have one word for Deaf as Deaf Culture. HOH people can join the Deaf Culture too as long as they sign in the Deaf Communities. Simple as that. :)
 
Yes, people talk animatedly to each other in American Sign Language — I watch them on the T. But they can’t communicate with the rest of us.
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Enough said.
 
I am hoh/deaf that associates with deaf culture and hearing culture. I have a nice mix to the world going on.
 
shel90 said:
We can have empathy for him but it seems to be a pattern that happens again and again....


someone criticizes the idea of Deaf culture

someone calls out that person for it

then others say that first person should get empathy or that it is ok.

I have seen it happen tooo many times over the years. It gets old. The Deaf community always gets criticized for standing up for their beliefs or speaking out against ignorance.

Nothing new which is why I am very tough on this guy.
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That's exactly what I'm thinking, too.

I've not seen any guidelines that say I was born deaf to become a voluntary social worker for LD/HOH/parents, anyway.
 
There's no HOH culture? There are organizations like the ALDA, HLAA that tend to be populated among the hard of hearing, etc.
 
jillio said:
Always on top of things, Bott! :ty:

And I might add that of course people can disagree with Lane's position on Deaf Culture...but the only valid disagreement would have to come from the Deaf. We don't see disagreement coming from them.
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In another word, the opinions of the deaf don't count?
 
Hohtopics said:
There's no HOH culture? There are organizations like the ALDA, HLAA that tend to be populated among the hard of hearing, etc.
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That doesn't constitute a culture. A group of people hanging together based on a common interest or problem do not a culture make.
 
Hohtopics said:
In another word, the opinions of the deaf don't count?
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When it comes to Deaf Culture, the opinions of those who have never experienced it and have virtually no understanding of Deaf Culture, or what constitutes a culture, whether they are hearing or deaf, don't count. If you want your opinion to carry weight, you need to have the knowledge and the experience to demonstrate that you know what you are talking about.
 
jillio said:
That doesn't constitute a culture. A group of people hanging together based on a common interest or problem do not a culture make.
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Then isn't that what the Deaf kind of do too, that is "hang out together based on a common interest or problem?". :hmm:
 
jillio said:
When it comes to Deaf Culture, the opinions of those who have never experienced it and have virtually no understanding of Deaf Culture, or what constitutes a culture, whether they are hearing or deaf, don't count. If you want your opinion to carry weight, you need to have the knowledge and the experience to demonstrate that you know what you are talking about.
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Even in that case, some of the deaf has also had some experience with the Deaf, myself included! ;)

Besides, a majority of people wouldn't know that when Lane make comments like "deaf mothers want deaf babies", he's only talking about the "Deaf". They'll probably just assume he's talking for or about "all of the deaf people".
 
Bottesini said:
Late deafened people often feel like he does. Most of them are to afraid to try to learn ASL and change their life, so they just end up bitter.
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I agree Botts, me neing in that category og late deafened I went the local college 2 times and still could not get ASL..second time they "booted me out" because I kept speaking and then just when I think I got it..I was told I wasn"t expressive enough with face and body. Then I go visit a friend on Cali. and they tell me Im doing it all wrong..geez, that's when i found out each area of the country is differnet with ASL and then OMG..darn brain just stopped working for awhile and I forgot everything I learned and for some reason can not retain any of my ASL training....so Im cought between 2 worlds...but ..lol..I sorta make up my own and then ppl correct me and I learn that way..smile...I thank this gentlemen for his service to this country..but he sounds angry to me...Peace to everyone...Midnight♥♥♥
 
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