accommodations question--is it appropriate...

[Glenn]

Is it appropriate for administrators (college level) to ask students how to best meet their needs?

Or is this the job of an experienced coordinator?

A student might have experience with a form of accommodation that works for him or her, but the coordinator might know of a better way to meet the student's needs that the student doesn't know about.

What do you think?

 

[posts from hell]

Is it appropriate for administrators (college level) to ask students how to best meet their needs?

Or is this the job of an experienced coordinator?

A student might have experience with a form of accommodation that works for him or her, but the coordinator might know of a better way to meet the student's needs that the student doesn't know about.

What do you think?

I would certainly welcome it. It probably will broaden their horizons of on what to fund.

 

[sheila022]

Is it appropriate for administrators (college level) to ask students how to best meet their needs?

Or is this the job of an experienced coordinator?

A student might have experience with a form of accommodation that works for him or her, but the coordinator might know of a better way to meet the student's needs that the student doesn't know about.

What do you think?

Yes, duh.

 

[Glenn]

Yes, duh.

What part are you referring to Sheila?

 

[sheila022]

Um, MIT had asked me that question and they also let me know more about CART and other options that I didn't realize. And I was happy to discover CART, thanks to MIT.

 

[Glenn]

I'd get that question a lot at CWU.

"What kind of accommodations do you want?"

Of course they didn't have what I needed, so it wasn't a good question anyway.

I would feel like I was doing the job of the coordinator to figure out what would be the most appropriate type of accommodation given the poor choices they gave me.

 

[posts from hell]

I'd get that question a lot at CWU.

"What kind of accommodations do you want?"

Of course they didn't have what I needed, so it wasn't a good question anyway.

I would feel like I was doing the job of the coordinator to figure out what would be the most appropriate type of accommodation given the poor choices they gave me.

Are you expecting them to be mind readers in finding what you need? IMHO - The only person that knows what they need is the person who needs it.

If an administrator is asking you that question - there could be many reasons they are asking you that... Checking up on the coordinator performance could be one of them.

 

[Lee H.]

Of course they didn't have what I needed, so it wasn't a good question anyway.
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This happened to me,,, if they don't offer what you need, ASK for it. When I was going to college, I asked for CART. they told me they don't offer it cuz they thought it was a luxury.. I fought them with OCR and won.. It's possible the college didn't know its obiligation.

 

[Glenn]

Are you expecting them to be mind readers in finding what you need? IMHO - The only person that knows what they need is the person who needs it.

If an administrator is asking you that question - there could be many reasons they are asking you that... Checking up on the coordinator performance could be one of them.

I expected them to know what they are doing and I expected them to have more experience with different types of accommodations and different educational settings and what works the best in these situations.

I am not the know-all about accommodations and what works in different settings. That is what the coordinator with a dozen years of experience knows.

I think they need to know something about their job, but it seemed that they just didn't know and would defer to what I requested...regardless if it is actually the best choice.

 

[Glenn]

This happened to me,,, if they don't offer what you need, ASK for it. When I was going to college, I asked for CART. they told me they don't offer it cuz they thought it was a luxury.. I fought them with OCR and won.. It's possible the college didn't know its obiligation.

I did ask, and they were unwilling. It took intervention from the state's attorney general to get them to provide appropriate accommodations.

And before you think I was asking for something completely inappropriate, I was not. I was only requesting what would normally be available at any 4-year university in this state and even some 2-year colleges.

 

[posts from hell]

I expected them to know what they are doing and I expected them to have more experience with different types of accommodations and different educational settings and what works the best in these situations.

I am not the know-all about accommodations and what works in different settings. That is what the coordinator with a dozen years of experience knows.

I think they need to know something about their job, but it seemed that they just didn't know and would defer to what I requested...regardless if it is actually the best choice.

I don't know... The feeling I get from you is that the coordinator sucks. It also seems that you are having some personal vendetta against the coordinator. It seems that you want to say nothing regarding your needs to point the finger at the coordinator and say "Hey, they should have done their job.. they didn't!"

Basically... I took at the maps to see where CWU was.. and I see PLENTY of opportunities around the area. I see it as inexcusable for you to take no blame because there are other options for you in the area.

I was going to youtube a reply to this. But I have to leave for the mountains.

 

[Glenn]

I don't know... The feeling I get from you is that the coordinator sucks. It also seems that you are having some personal vendetta against the coordinator. It seems that you want to say nothing regarding your needs to point the finger at the coordinator and say "Hey, they should have done their job.. they didn't!"

Basically... I took at the maps to see where CWU was.. and I see PLENTY of opportunities around the area. I see it as inexcusable for you to take no blame because there are other options for you in the area.

I was going to youtube a reply to this. But I have to leave for the mountains.

I don't have a vendetta against the coordinator. He is gone now. But he was the least qualified coordinator I had ever met.

I have always had coordinators that actually knew a thing or two about how the school could best meet student needs. This guy was always asking 100 questions because he didn't know very much.

As for other opportunities, not in the major I was enrolled in. It would have meant starting over from the beginning when I was more than half done. I'm not interested in throwing away several thousands of dollars and a lot of time and hard work.

Anyway, as far as CWU's situation goes, most of this was not the coordinator's fault. He was just trying to do his job. If I have a problem, it is with the administrator who hired him.

 

[Hohtopics]

Is it appropriate for administrators (college level) to ask students how to best meet their needs?

Or is this the job of an experienced coordinator?

A student might have experience with a form of accommodation that works for him or her, but the coordinator might know of a better way to meet the student's needs that the student doesn't know about.

What do you think?

Actually I think it was nice of the administrator to ask you, assuming the administrator did? However, you could still do both. Still check with the coordinator as a backup.

 

[posts from hell]

I don't have a vendetta against the coordinator. He is gone now. But he was the least qualified coordinator I had ever met.

I have always had coordinators that actually knew a thing or two about how the school could best meet student needs. This guy was always asking 100 questions because he didn't know very much.

As for other opportunities, not in the major I was enrolled in. It would have meant starting over from the beginning when I was more than half done. I'm not interested in throwing away several thousands of dollars and a lot of time and hard work.

Anyway, as far as CWU's situation goes, most of this was not the coordinator's fault. He was just trying to do his job. If I have a problem, it is with the administrator who hired him.

I don't buy your story. Too much vagueness gives me this huge red flag. But that's always has been you though.

 

[Jiro]

Is it appropriate for administrators (college level) to ask students how to best meet their needs?

Or is this the job of an experienced coordinator?

A student might have experience with a form of accommodation that works for him or her, but the coordinator might know of a better way to meet the student's needs that the student doesn't know about.

What do you think?

yes - it is appropriate for administrators/counselors/etc. to ask you what they can do to help you. standard procedure.

In order for them to help you, you need to tell them something too. do you expect medical professionals to tell you all answers just by looking at your problem simply because they have years of experiences and knowledge? no... they ask you questions so that they can give you an answer tailored for your situation.

So far..... my needs have been met.... by simply answering their question. I'm sorry your counselor didn't meet your need. It isn't because of him asking you a question. It's because of his incompetence to do the job to get you what you want.

 

[Glenn]

I don't buy your story. Too much vagueness gives me this huge red flag. But that's always has been you though.

It would take hours to explain the whole story.

 

[Glenn]

Coordinator A--Masters in Public Administration. Has very little experience with deaf education. He asks all kinds of questions, takes them back to his boss and gets a few things green-lighted.

Coordinator B--ASL interpreter with 20+ years of experience. Has national accreditation with RID. Asks the appropriate questions and does the right things to make the best learning environment possible.

The only thing I was asking for was what I could get at any 4-year school. It was deemed too expensive CWU would not do it.

 

[Jiro]

Coordinator A--Masters in Public Administration. Has very little experience with deaf education. He asks all kinds of questions, takes them back to his boss and gets a few things green-lighted.

Coordinator B--ASL interpreter with 20+ years of experience. Has national accreditation with RID. Asks the appropriate questions and does the right things to make the best learning environment possible.

The only thing I was asking for was what I could get at any 4-year school. It was deemed too expensive CWU would not do it.

what did you ask for? and what did you get?

 

[Glenn]

what did you ask for? and what did you get?

I asked for people with experience. A minimum of two years experience. I asked for people who were professionals.

I got people whose skill levels were so bad the teacher said that what was done was wrong, out of context, missing information, and would take an hour to re-do.

I got a remote CART transcript with the word "indiscernible" appearing 157 times in an hour's transcript. It was impossible to understand.

I got transcribers who were late so many times I had to repeat a class.

I got notetakers (the only accommodation they provided) who didn't show up.

They sent non-operating tape recorders to record the lecture for later transcription, as if that were an appropriate accommodation. The learning environment was much more than the audio content. Much was demonstrated on the board, handouts, and so on.

 

[Jiro]

I asked for people with experience. A minimum of two years experience. I asked for people who were professionals.

I got people whose skill levels were so bad the teacher said that what was done was wrong, out of context, missing information, and would take an hour to re-do.

I got a remote CART transcript with the word "indiscernible" appearing 157 times in an hour's transcript. It was impossible to understand.

I got transcribers who were late so many times I had to repeat a class.

I got notetakers (the only accommodation they provided) who didn't show up.

They sent non-operating tape recorders to record the lecture for later transcription, as if that were an appropriate accommodation. The learning environment was much more than the audio content. Much was demonstrated on the board, handouts, and so on.

and this is what you got from Coordinator B? or both A and B?