3 year old with cochears

[AlleyCat]

OK, "living in Los Angeles makes me cringe" "driving a car to work makes me cringe" -- these don't sound negative to you either?

No. Why should they? Everyone has their likes and dislikes. What does this have to do with this thread?

 

[deafgal001]

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I'm anti-surgeries. I will avoid at all cost by staying heathy. But I am not anti-surgeries.

 

[deafgal001]

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There's an actual physical/health risk difference between major surgery and asl.

OK, "living in Los Angeles makes me cringe" "driving a car to work makes me cringe" -- these don't sound negative to you either?

Offtopic but I can't imagine someone saying "I love city traffics. Traffic jams make me so happy"

Actually a car does make me cringe. But that's life.

 

[GrendelQ]

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Offtopic but I can't imagine someone saying "I love city traffics. Traffic jams make me so happy"

Actually a car does make me cringe. But that's life.

Right, big a difference between saying the idea of surgery makes you cringe, and "children with CIs" make you cringe.

 

[deafgal001]

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Offtopic but I can't imagine someone saying "I love city traffics. Traffic jams make me so happy"

Actually a car does make me cringe. But that's life.

Right, big a difference between saying the idea of surgery makes you cringe, and "children with CIs" make you cringe.

I don't think PFH is that kind of a person. Didn't he think your kid was cute despite that she have CI?

 

[AlleyCat]

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I don't think PFH is that kind of a person. Didn't he think your kid was cute despite that she have CI?

It wasn't PFH.

Right, big a difference between saying the idea of surgery makes you cringe, and "children with CIs" make you cringe.

Perhaps you should ask the original poster who made the statement to answer your concerns directly instead of asking questions relating to traffic and cars and Los Angeles.

 

[faire_jour]

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Every single person has said NOT to be forceful.

*shrugs* the term used was 'condone'...

And my signature is pretty obvious.. in the extreme case of "perfection" and the child still resists by SCREAMING and crying - this certain poster will still continue the usage. ie: force.

That is enough for me.

i specifically said that we do not advocate for or even condone it.

and my statement was that it rewards and stickers and positive things don't work....keeping doing positive things. (but i also said that i doubted it would keep happening.)

 

[posts from hell]

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i specifically said that we do not advocate for or even condone it.

and my statement was that it rewards and stickers and positive things don't work....keeping doing positive things. (but i also said that i doubted it would keep happening.)

You're twisting things around again. Nice try.

I'll edit and add this to clarify my thinking process to the rest of the AD members who are reading this:

regardless of what you THINK will happen... I asked specifically in a perfect world - right mapping, right rewarding programs and all that jazz - the kid still rejects the CI - screaming and crying - what to do?? Wheres the line?? You said "Continue."

If your doubts prove right, it doesnt happen. If you're wrong, and it happens, you still would "Continue."

NOW that brings up this post:

And who is recommending or even condoning being forceful????

I replied to that because of the response you made in my signature. You're "even condoning being forceful" in my eyes here.

 

[faire_jour]

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yes, continue with the positive reinforcement, rewards, etc.

why on earth would you stop being positive?

 

[faire_jour]

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i specifically said that we do not advocate for or even condone it.

and my statement was that it rewards and stickers and positive things don't work....keeping doing positive things. (but i also said that i doubted it would keep happening.)

You're twisting things around again. Nice try.

I'll edit and add this to clarify my thinking process to the rest of the AD members who are reading this:

regardless of what you THINK will happen... I asked specifically in a perfect world - right mapping, right rewarding programs and all that jazz - the kid still rejects the CI - screaming and crying - what to do?? Wheres the line?? You said "Continue."

If your doubts prove right, it doesnt happen. If you're wrong, and it happens, you still would "Continue."

NOW that brings up this post:

And who is recommending or even condoning being forceful????

I replied to that because of the response you made in my signature. You're "even condoning being forceful" in my eyes here.

i said "who is recommending or even condoning being forceful?" answer: NO ONE!

 

[posts from hell]

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i said "who is recommending or even condoning being forceful?" answer: NO ONE!

If you didn't know what condone means - it means "to allow" - so you are saying "who is even allowing CIs to be forced upon a child?" In my explanation force was clearly displayed, hence it falls in line with your question that I answered, in my opinion, correctly.

However we can disagree. I respectfully disagree with you here.

 

[deafgal001]

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I don't think PFH is that kind of a person. Didn't he think your kid was cute despite that she have CI?

It wasn't PFH.

Right, big a difference between saying the idea of surgery makes you cringe, and "children with CIs" make you cringe.

Perhaps you should ask the original poster who made the statement to answer your concerns directly instead of asking questions relating to traffic and cars and Los Angeles.

Ok I got lost in threads. My statement still stands. Because I know a few who are against implanting a child and CI on children does make them cringe. But it doesn't mean they are "anti children with CI"

 

[faire_jour]

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i said "who is recommending or even condoning being forceful?" answer: NO ONE!

If you didn't know what condone means - it means "to allow" - so you are saying "who is even allowing CIs to be forced upon a child?" In my explanation force was clearly displayed, hence it falls in line with your question that I answered, in my opinion, correctly.

However we can disagree. I respectfully disagree with you here.

i clearly said that i do NOT advocate or even condone it. I don't know how to be clearer.

 

[posts from hell]

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i clearly said that i do NOT advocate or even condone it. I don't know how to be clearer.

Then why reply the way you did in my signature? Why the flip flop?

 

[posts from hell]

I've seen too many parents who pull that card with their kids. Even the ones who don't want to wear the CI's..

So, tell me, if your kid is 13 and tells you they refuse to wear the CI's and refuse to work with the oral side of their education - what will you do?

At 13, they would be fully involved in that decision, but not at 3.

So you're saying you're perfectly fine with all kinds of treatment into making the child wear the CI for months at end at 3?

No, in fact, I specifically told you that there were good ways and inappropriate ways to deal with it.

Okay, and wheres the line?Even after right mapping, right rewarding programs,, etc and the kid still rejects.. WHAT DO YOU DO?

The answer given was "continue" to the answer the kid that is constantly rejecting a CI. See my first question - I asked you where the line was, it now is obvious there is no line with you.

Off to do errands, take care yall.

 

[faire_jour]

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i clearly said that i do NOT advocate or even condone it. I don't know how to be clearer.

Then why reply the way you did in my signature? Why the flip flop?

positive rewards, charts, stickers, consistancy and dilligence are not force. There is no flip flop.

 

[faire_jour]

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i said continue with the positives and that it is never ok to use emotional or physical force.

i have been very clear.

 

[Beowulf]

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positive rewards, charts, stickers, consistancy and dilligence are not force. There is no flip flop.

Even after months of the child crying and beseeching you to make it stop?
The hairs are standing up on the back of my neck.

 

[faire_jour]

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positive rewards, charts, stickers, consistancy and dilligence are not force. There is no flip flop.

Even after months of the child crying and beseeching you to make it stop?
The hairs are standing up on the back of my neck.

first of all, i said that i don't believe it would happen. If they are getting benefit, they aren't going to fight it. It just doesn't happen.

i would find out why they are fighting, at 3 they should be able to communicate. Then we would work to fix it. But no, it is not their decision.

 

[dulce]

Deafdyke, I found your advise very explanatory, thank you for that. (I didn't Quoted it, sorry, but I am agreeing with you) I do feel that age is much to young for CI. Sign Language is an option and beautiful language, until the child is of age to give some discerning feedback on how he choices to "Hear" in his world.