My son is getting a CI

faire_jour said:
Not even close! There have been 11 (as of the paper I read in 2004). NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A THOSAND.

http://jpubhealth.oxfordjournals.org/content/27/1/55.full.pdf

Those aren't rose colored glasses, those are the facts.
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FJ,

This is AllDeaf where those opposed to cochlear implants never let the facts get in the way.

A few years back a girl in my town died while undergoing a routine dental procedure, guess they are opposed to dental hygiene as well.

Rick
 
rick, I am NOT saying that speech therapy and being involved with your kid is helicopter parenting. Hypersensative much? There IS a happy medium between normal parental involvement and helicopter parenting.
I've got it!!!!! I think I know how to explain so you'll stop thinking I'm attacking your parenting style. It's pretty much like a regular education approach. You'd have regular schooling. Picture say an average suburban school where most kids go off to State College. You'd have some extreme status overacheivers who would be happy with nothing but a Status Name Brand College. Then you'd have a really hypercompetitive school...think a public school, but where it's a Status Thing to go off to Name Brand Univeristy. You get a LOT of helicopter style parenting. (gotta keep up with the Joneses and live viacasiously through my children. They NEED to be something High Acheiveing)
Consistant speech therapy (and even some AVT sessions) would be normal parental involvement. Nothing wrong with that. You are attacking me as if I implied that ALL speech therapy =helicopter parenting. However, there are parents of dhh kids who basicly ....well in A Journey to the Deaf World, one of the deaf people profiled (who was raised orally) said that her mother was more a therapist then a mother. For example, your "speech therapy" was more language enrichement. However someone who is on a very intense speech therapy route, would be constantly (read CONSTANTLY) making their dhh kid play the games from the John Tracy course, and lots of visits to an AVT and speech therapist, and basicly devoting their kid's entire existance to spoken language. There are quite a few oral only parents who think that if some speech therapy is good, devoting a kid's entire existance to speech therapy is even BETTER!
I'm actually on your side. You basicly did the experianced with dhh kids speech therapist and made sure your daughter was exposed to a language rich enviroment.....and she picked it up. You didn't feel the need to go whole hog and overdo it.
And you don't understand my usage of the phrase "speshal needs" I have consistantly said I am NOT making fun of people with disabilities. I would never do that. What I mean by that phrase is that there is an attitude among professionals and experts and even parents of kids with various and sundry disabilties that the ONLY good functioning for a kid with a disabilty, is "healthy normal" functioning. For dhh kids that would be spoken language without the "crutch" (whatever that means) of ASL and speechreading. For blind low vision kids, that would be using residual vision to the max with no things like Braille or other blind/low vision accomondations, for wheelchair or CP kids that would mean functioning like a person without a physical disabilty (ie walking walking and more walking) I am not making fun of special needs kids. Rather I am making fun of professional's attitudes that stuff like wheelchairs, sign language, Braille, and any numbember of other disabilty accomondations is somehow "below" kids who can walk or talk or whatever.
 
I see this thread has tangent-ed out into the standard "pro/con CI" and "every other disagreement" people can have thread. Oh well.

I like to believe that we (as parents) always do what we think is best for our children, and that "best" is going to be different for different people.

Elliottt's surgery is Dec 27 and we are excited and nervous at the same time.
 
Elliot's Dad,
You know......you MAY want to contact the Dhh program near you guys for post CI speech therapy. It's possible that the speech therapist affliated with the program would have more experiance working with dhh kids then a garden variety SLP.. I know you prolly want to wait til your son's older to join a formal educational program.....ACTUALLY, you did say he really likes the Signing Time videos right? If he has a TOD/hoh they could teach him ASL!
 
rick48 said:
FJ,

This is AllDeaf where those opposed to cochlear implants never let the facts get in the way.

A few years back a girl in my town died while undergoing a routine dental procedure, guess they are opposed to dental hygiene as well.

Rick
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Strawman argument.

There's nothing wrong with being deaf, that's a FACT!

Having cavities is a bad thing to have, that's a FACT!

Your analogy is flawed. You're trying to make this analogy that BOTH being deaf and having cavities is a bad thing to have, therefore both needs fixing.

Yiz
 
yizuman said:
Strawman argument.

There's nothing wrong with being deaf, that's a FACT!

Having cavities is a bad thing to have, that's a FACT!

Your analogy is flawed. You're trying to make this analogy that BOTH being deaf and having cavities is a bad thing to have, therefore both needs fixing.

Yiz
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People lived millions of years without dental surgery. It was not a life threatening condition and was totally elective.
 
faire_jour said:
People lived millions of years without dental surgery. It was not a life threatening condition and was totally elective.
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I have heard many stories how doctors used to pull decayed teeth for babies in the old days. They died from infections. Both of my grandmother and my mil told me these stories (about doctors pulling teeth from infants) .

and if you like to read more about infant teeth decay itself: Dental caries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Thanks to sugar that we've been adding to our diet.
 
Elliotts Dad said:
standard "pro/con CI" and "every other disagreement" people can have thread.
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:laugh2: (Or maybe I should use a weeping emoticon) We need a whole section dedicated to this, apparently. Although, maybe that's what this one really is. I'll be sending good thoughts to you on the big day!

(I brought videos and a player, and my daughter and I sat up all night in the hospital eating icepops and watching her favorite videos -- it turned the uncomfortable, achy first-night-after-surgery into a party, an adventure. And gave her head and tummy time to settle down before lying down. A big difference from the previous surgery after which we tried to keep her sleeping that first night.)
 
faire_jour said:
People lived millions of years without dental surgery. It was not a life threatening condition and was totally elective.
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Cavities when left untreated can cause infection which can spread throughout the body, killing the person. Besides, once the tooth is rotten away, I am sure it had to be extremely painful.

Last I heard, deafness itself never killed anyone and doesnt cause physical pain to my knowledge.
 
shel90 said:
Cavities when left untreated can cause infection which can spread throughout the body, killing the person. Besides, once the tooth is rotten away, I am sure it had to be extremely painful.

Last I heard, deafness itself never killed anyone and doesnt cause physical pain to my knowledge.
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:gpost:
 
deafdyke said:
Elliot's Dad,
You know......you MAY want to contact the Dhh program near you guys for post CI speech therapy. It's possible that the speech therapist affliated with the program would have more experiance working with dhh kids then a garden variety SLP.. I know you prolly want to wait til your son's older to join a formal educational program.....ACTUALLY, you did say he really likes the Signing Time videos right? If he has a TOD/hoh they could teach him ASL!
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I'll keep that in mind. The SLP we are going to see (which is in addition to and coordinating with his SLP through school) works almost exclusively with kids with CI's. They even arrange group playdates/therapy for CI kids.
 
If left untreated tooth that it would travel to the system in your body, go to your heart, kidney or liver but it will go to heart and it can kill you. That's a scary thought.
 
shel90 said:
Last I heard, deafness itself never killed anyone and doesnt cause physical pain to my knowledge.
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Although there were times that some people, including those that were deaf or had an hearing loss did get killed cause they didn't hear something. For instance, didn't a deaf gal get killed walking on the train tracks few years ago cause she didn't hear the train coming?
 
HHIssues said:
Although there were times that some people, including those that were deaf or had an hearing loss did get killed cause they didn't hear something. For instance, didn't a deaf gal get killed walking on the train tracks few years ago cause she didn't hear the train coming?
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not factual. she was not on the train tracks itself, she was on the side.
 
And the odds of this happening at all are extremely slim. Are we all to start wearing our HAs just so we don't get hit by a train? I do wear my HAs most of the day, but I cherish weekends and mornings when I don't put them on - I love the total silence !!
 
Train tracks scare the dickens out of me. Regardless of being hearing or deaf.
 
HHIssues said:
Although there were times that some people, including those that were deaf or had an hearing loss did get killed cause they didn't hear something. For instance, didn't a deaf gal get killed walking on the train tracks few years ago cause she didn't hear the train coming?
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And how many people get killed for hearing sensitive stuff by drug cartels?
 
AlleyCat said:
And the odds of this happening at all are extremely slim. Are we all to start wearing our HAs just so we don't get hit by a train? I do wear my HAs most of the day, but I cherish weekends and mornings when I don't put them on - I love the total silence !!
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If you walk down a side of train track, just make sure the train doesnt have a snowplow attached to it.. Especially in Minnesota at this time of the year. The girl was in texas, the train was bringing a new snow plow up to the northern regions when the train plowed her over.
 
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