California "Informational Brochure" AB2072

Tousi said:
The final make-up of the brochure committee came down to 15 people but only 5 of whom were ASL proponents which soured some about an otherwise okay bill. Then at the 11th hour the audiologists changed their position......pretty transparent there......
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So the governor agreed with the audiologists....
 
faire_jour said:
So the governor agreed with the audiologists....
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I don't know why I put that last line in there. The governor said it was obvious to him that the committee as it is made up would not be unbiased. Look around and find his letter; I know you go to DR.

P.S. Look at post #5 here above.....
 
Tousi said:
I don't know why I put that last line in there. The governor said it was obvious to him that the committee as it is made up would not be unbiased. Look around and find his letter; I know you go to DR.
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I read it on Deafread, and several blogs about it. I agree that the governor saw that the stupid thing got too bloated and convoluted. Unfortunatly, the Deaf community supported the last incarnation, which means they did not get what they wanted.
 
Eh, don't flame me for saying this: But I believe implants helped me a lot more to do with a lot of the success in my life than without it/using ASL alone and helping me to not to cocoon myself within the deaf community alone. I feel that with my implant, I am able to freely interact with the hearing and deaf world alike without needing any people interpreters and the ability to speak to anybody...hell, even to the point of learning another foreign language such as spoken Spanish and Chinese (No way you can learn those two languages if you can't hear or speak and use ASL only, right?) (although I would like to learn ASL if I do get to meet and talk with more ASL users). I am glad that my father decided to give me the Cochlear Implant at 3 years old, and if he could do the choice over again, I would encourage him to give me the cochlear implant. I would even give my child a CI if he or she were born deaf.

Despite what the Deaf community thinks about the CI and deaf identity, I do still consider myself deaf no matter what, even with the CI....because no technology now is perfect enough to completely replicate the natural hearing mechanisms.

However, I believe that all parents should be given a choice about what to do with their child's deafness instead of being forced to one way, as this is a free country.
 
oooooooo! *hit the bunker*
 
Btw, i'll like to point out that I hadn't been really in the deaf community for a LONG time, and all the ASL using people I had grown up with were not oral deaf and used ASL primarily, which led me to think they can't learn another language, and Jiro just told me the few misconceptions.
 
poor ASL deafies.... they just can't be successful or communicate with hearing people.
 
I feel I have to step in. Not all Deaf people are anti-AB2027. I'm not on either side of anti and pro... Some friends of my friends are on different sides, and some like me are neutral.
 
sheila022 said:
Btw, i'll like to point out that I hadn't been really in the deaf community for a LONG time, and all the ASL using people I had grown up with were not oral deaf and used ASL primarily, which led me to think they can't learn another language, and Jiro just told me the few misconceptions.
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Just curious what this and your other post has to do with AB2072?
 
parental choice and informing the parents. But I don't think it is the gov't job to mandate to feed informations (especially the ones they approve of) to parents or mandate a visit an audiologist to confirm hearing loss after they failed their newborn screening.
 
deafgal001 said:
parental choice and informing the parents. But I don't think it is the gov't job to mandate to feed informations (especially the ones they approve of) to parents or mandate a visit an audiologist to confirm hearing loss after they failed their newborn screening.
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Uh, this wasn't happening. The bill had nothing to do with MANDATING anything.
 
It has to mandate something to be a bill. It mandates audiologist to pass brochures... but the type of information they want to feed parents is something I don't like. Rather it is biased or not biased.

But I know an audiologist visit isn't required but someone thinks so so I have no ideaf why.
 
sheila022 said:
Eh, don't flame me for saying this: But I believe implants helped me a lot more to do with a lot of the success in my life than without it/using ASL alone and helping me to not to cocoon myself within the deaf community alone. I feel that with my implant, I am able to freely interact with the hearing and deaf world alike without needing any people interpreters and the ability to speak to anybody...hell, even to the point of learning another foreign language such as spoken Spanish and Chinese (No way you can learn those two languages if you can't hear or speak and use ASL only, right?) (although I would like to learn ASL if I do get to meet and talk with more ASL users). I am glad that my father decided to give me the Cochlear Implant at 3 years old, and if he could do the choice over again, I would encourage him to give me the cochlear implant. I would even give my child a CI if he or she were born deaf.

Despite what the Deaf community thinks about the CI and deaf identity, I do still consider myself deaf no matter what, even with the CI....because no technology now is perfect enough to completely replicate the natural hearing mechanisms.

However, I believe that all parents should be given a choice about what to do with their child's deafness instead of being forced to one way, as this is a free country.
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A lot of things you have stated are incorrect. I know many deaf ASL users who have no speech skills are fluent in multiple languages.

ASL doesn't limit deaf people and I know deaf people without implants who are successful. I am one of them. I just wish I had both ASL and oralism growing up instead of just oralism only.
 
What Shelia doesn't realize that they were communicating with her even though she is hearing with CI... Sure they use ASL... but as long as hearing people know ASL (just like what Shelia was doing) , they are not "cocooned" to the deaf community. Not only that, they use pen and paper, and even voice and lipread to communicate with the hearing. Language not have to have noise but that is very hard on some people who are used to noises to communicate so I guess that's why they think deaf people are cocooned. Who knows?

btw, deaf people can read foriegn languge if they wanted to. Or learn foreign sign language. They don't have to "speak" to learn it. Or they can use their hearing aids like my sister did.

Shelia, you spoke about learning Chinese.. what if someone who came to america and only know Chinese and unable to learn English (because they are older-- I mention many times, the older you get the harder it gets so it is better to learn it while you are young) ... They would be just as coccooned and have to rely on interpreter all the time.
 
My brother and I are most definitely not completely shut off from the world. We do venture out. :roll:
 
sheila022 said:
However, I believe that all parents should be given a choice about what to do with their child's deafness instead of being forced to one way, as this is a free country.
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Ha, you think it is a free country for parents given a choice to put Cochlear Implant without the child's knowledge. To me, it is force on the deaf baby as we all think that a baby is a individual and human being. The baby have no say or could not tell you if the CI is working for them or not, whether they want it or not. Hearing aids are better and then later when the child decide if he or she want to have CI, then go for it. We have suffered enough problems trying to hear and please hearing people which put us down sooooo many times. That is why we are bitter because we are not allow to say what is bothering us, what we need to communicate and having some accommodations to help us understand both deaf and hearing. Writing with pen and paper is better than trying to make speech or to listen. That is not hard to do that. We love to read all the time. Beside this is a very beautiful baby as natural. That is what we would like to see. :(
 
Bebonang said:
Ha, you think it is a free country for parents given a choice to put Cochlear Implant without the child's knowledge. To me, it is force on the deaf baby as we all think that a baby is a individual and human being. The baby have no say or could not tell you if the CI is working for them or not, whether they want it or not. Hearing aids are better and then later when the child decide if he or she want to have CI, then go for it. We have suffered enough problems trying to hear and please hearing people which put us down sooooo many times. That is why we are bitter because we are not allow to say what is bothering us, what we need to communicate and having some accommodations to help us understand both deaf and hearing. Writing with pen and paper is better than trying to make speech or to listen. That is not hard to do that. We love to read all the time. Beside this is a very beautiful baby as natural. That is what we would like to see. :(
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Should you not feed the baby because you don't know what kind of food it likes?

Maybe we shouldn't put kids in school because we don't know if they like school.

Let them run around naked because we don't know what their favorite color is.

Don't immunize them because the needle might cause them to have PTSD.

Nah....making decisions for the child is the parents job. They have to make the best decisions they can for THEIR child regardless of what other people think. Of course they have to live with those decisions too. *shrug*
 
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