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shel90 said:
It is about greed..not offer people health insurance becausse they dont want to pay for it?
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This is why progressive policies consistently fail- because people like you interpret rational economic responses to bad policies as evil or nefarious (that is, if you even bother to consider that businesses may respond in ways that happen to undermine what you're trying to fix in the first place). It is not vengeful to react rationally to policies.

Have you ever started a business? It takes enormous time, money, sacrifice, and risk. If people are successful, they benefit, their employees benefit, and their customers benefit. If people don't expect to get a huge payoff, they won't bother starting a business. Making it more expensive to have employees will mean fewer employees will be offered jobs and fewer people will start businesses.
 
darkdog said:
This is why progressive policies consistently fail- because people like you interpret rational economic responses to bad policies as evil or nefarious (that is, if you even bother to consider that businesses may respond in ways that happen to undermine what you're trying to fix in the first place). It is not vengeful to react rationally to policies.

Have you ever started a business? It takes enormous time, money, sacrifice, and risk. If people are successful, they benefit, their employees benefit, and their customers benefit. If people don't expect to get a huge payoff, they won't bother starting a business. Making it more expensive to have employees will mean fewer employees will be offered jobs and fewer people will start businesses.
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Relatively few people start a business with over 50 staff members.
 
Beowulf said:
Relatively few people start a business with over 50 staff members.
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I don't know about that because everything has fineprint. I'm wondering what it says about that. It can't be that simple. :hmm:
 
Jiro said:
I don't know about that because everything has fineprint. I'm wondering what it says about that. It can't be that simple. :hmm:
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If so the fix is simple.....PFH said it earlier. Divide the business. Real simple fix
 
Beowulf said:
Relatively few people start a business with over 50 staff members.
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That's true - but what business will hire someone who is a criminal?

Its a crime to NOT have health insurance coverage.

As of today, if you do not have health insurance, you are a Federal Criminal.
 
Some states are going to try and fight the health bill as they feel it is
unconstitutional to made health insurance mandatory! People will be fined if they refuse to get health insurance and could go to jail! I thought we were living in a free country where we could decide how we get our health insurance and not be told by Big Brother what to do! We should made calls or send emails and tell the government we do not want them controlling our life!
I have not heard one word on how the government plan on getting homeless people to get health insurance or how the government plan on reaching all the homeless people in USA !!
 
The Obamacare is giving me a headache.
 
Steinhauer said:
That's true - but what business will hire someone who is a criminal?

Its a crime to NOT have health insurance coverage.

As of today, if you do not have health insurance, you are a Federal Criminal.
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I understand your frustration. But it should be a crime to neglect those who desperately need medical care.
 
Beowulf said:
I understand your frustration. But it should be a crime to neglect those who desperately need medical care.
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it should be targeted toward to insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and hospitals only...... not us hard-working Americans.
 
This is quite possibly the worst bill/law ever to be passed in America. This is not merely like Medicare or Social Security; this is much Much MUCH bigger than that and more invasive.

It is not a healthare bill. It is essentially a slavery bill as it makes your children and grandchildren indentured servants to pay for it, in perpetuity. It will, without a doubt, bankrupt our Treasury. There is no question about it.

Most people have no idea how much a trillion dollars really is. A billion is a thousand million. A trillion is a million million. There are about 330 million Americans, this includes men, women, children, retirees, unemployed people, and illegal aliens. Do the math, then calculate what you owe. Now consider that half of those people, can't or won't pay, so you will pay that part. So double the number. Then consider that the government usually has a 3 to 1 cost over run, so triple that number. Then multiply that number by the number of people in your family/household. It's astronomical.

Wal-Mart is probably the world's largest company with about $374 billion in revenue. The health care bill make Wal-Mart look like a Mom and Pop, corner convenience store. The massiveness of this amount of spending is hard to comprehend.
 
Today I am ashamed to be left handed......since a left hand signed this crap. Maybe it won't count.
 
shel90 said:
It is about greed..not offer people health insurance becausse they dont want to pay for it?
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greed would be from those major corporations because they can easily afford it and most likely can find a workaround because they have a department of lawyers and experts with shrewd agenda. They are the one who will be benefiting from this health care reform because small businesses will be gone without fight. Easy competition. Easy Monopoly.

Most of small business owners pay generously to their employees/workers (beyond minimum wage) even though they have no health coverage. Do you see this kind of employer-employee compassion & generosity in big corporations? Makes you wonder why a lot of people in corporations (IKEA, Home Depot, dealership, etc.) come and go but in your local small business stores - they're same people for a long time.

I fear some small stores in my town will be gone. I go there regularly because of their family-like atmosphere and personal interaction... even though their service or products cost more than chain stores. But also - because of first-name basis and good relationship, they cut me some slack. For ie - if I were to go to Midas to change new tires that I bought from online... it would normally cost me between $50-90 per tire. At my local mechanic shop, he does it for free but I give him tips. He does it for free on some minor repairs as well. Before - I could not believe it when the dealership charged me $15 "service labor fee" just to replace the wipers (another $30). $45 total!?!?!? :mad2: I thought they would do it for free (after purchasing wipers) when I went there for routine maintenance check.

I don't trust dealerships anymore because of their blatant shrewd practice.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I do not think there is a pill strong enough to help your headache!
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You can now get your government regulated aspirin at taxpayers expense with your government health insurance policy.

Failure to abide with this is a $2,000 fine and imprisonment.
 
Beowulf said:
I understand your frustration. But it should be a crime to neglect those who desperately need medical care.
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The health bill is going to be taking money from Medicare , I believe it will be a 500 billion$$ cut from Medicare to cover the cost of this monster of a bill! Walgreen is not going to taking Medicare any more , I bet there will be more drugs store and doctors that will stop taking people that use Medicare !
 
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