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jillio said:
Not a matter of not trusting, but more of looking at things with a critical eye. Actually, effectiveness is very subjective.
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There are four studies fairly recent that are in agreement from what I would believe to be reliable sources.
 
rockdrummer said:
There are four studies fairly recent that are in agreement from what I would believe to be reliable sources.
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Limitations? What was the population used? Did they compare the effectiveness between groups?
 
jillio said:
Limitations? What was the population used? Did they compare the effectiveness between groups?
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Unfortunately I don't have access to those studies. As I am sure you know, some of the studies in the Oxford Journals are not available for free.
 
Not a matter of not trusting, but more of looking at things with a critical eye. Actually, effectiveness is very subjective. No matter where the research comes from, you should always look at the methods section and ask yourself, "What are the limitations of this study?" It keeps things in perspective.
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Exactly!
Like a lot of the "research" that says oral kids do well may be biased b/c of the "criteria"
Or the research that says that kids don't learn to speak well if they also have ASL (that is based on the assumption that ASL is a "crutch" or "special needs")
 
shel90 said:
You told Frisky that you doubt it is an attempt to get information and that the her thread is to bash childhood implantation. That's rude. She is entitled to create a thread asking anything she wants without being attacked.
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I appreciate your time by telling her for me. It is getting old for me by her way. Thanks for the reminder.
 
faire_jour said:
If you really want to know I can get you contact information. But I doubt you want to talk to these people. If they got CI's 15-20 years ago, they were still very new, so only the strongest oral folks were doing it. www.cochlearimplantonline.com has lots of video interviews with CI users. You could look there.

I doubt you actually want the information, I see this as simply another thread to bash childhood implantation.
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Remember this thread has nothing to do or threatening with your child. I simply made this threat as an updated news about babyhood implantation for everyone to read it or not.
 
shel90 said:
No problem..it is becoming tiresome.
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It also becomes tiresome when some people continue to insist that parents go the CI route because they are lazy or because they don't accept their child for who they are.
 
rockdrummer said:
It also becomes tiresome when some people continue to insist that parents go the CI route because they are lazy or because they don't accept their child for who they are.
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Did Frisky Feline say that?
 
faire_jour said:
No, but are you denying that it is said in nearly every CI or Deaf ed thread?
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How did it become about other Deaf ed threads? I thought you were rude to the OP about why she created this thread and I told you so. Nothing to do with any other threads.
 
shel90 said:
How did it become about other Deaf ed threads? I thought you were rude to the OP about why she created this thread and I told you so. Nothing to do with any other threads.
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And Rockdrummer said it is tiresome that people bash parents at every single opportunity. I agree. If you aren't trying to fix the problem, you are part of it.
 
faire_jour said:
And Rockdrummer said it is tiresome that people bash parents at every single opportunity. I agree. If you aren't trying to fix the problem, you are part of it.
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who says anything about not trying to fix the problem. why mention "problem"?
 
shel90 said:
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I feel like, rather than sitting around complain about how much "hearing parents don't understand", the Deaf community needs to build bridges. Parents give their children CI's because they work! They see dozens of other deaf kids with them, at school, in playgroups, etc, and they see that they work, and they want the same benefit for their child. Most parents also read research and talk to professionals, and come to the conclusion that a CI is right for their family. There is nothing you can do about that, it's going to continue.

The change can happen in the next step. We need to show parent how ASL can benefit an implanted child. Don't tell them that all deaf children will fail without ASL, they know that isn't true. Don't say that CI's are fake and don't work, they see that they DO, with their own child. Parents need to be welcomed and to see that the Deaf community, and by extention, Deaf schools, are diverse and include people like their child.

Call them lazy, ignorant, unaccepting, "genocidal", or commiters of "hate crimes" and you are only hurting the deaf. You are ensuring that another deaf child goes without ASL and the Deaf community, and creating another mom like "cochlear implant online"
 
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