Deadly WMD discovered....

Point is that South Africa (and other countries) had to convince and request the use of DDT.

DDT does NOT cause serious health problems in small doses and when correctly applied but it is sure better than the alternative of getting bitten by malaria infested mosquitos which is even more injurious and have caused millions of deaths. DEET is a neurotoxin, so is DDT.

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The active ingredient in many insect repellents, deet, has been found to be toxic to the central nervous system.
Popular Insect Repellent Deet Is Neurotoxic

But five decades of DDT use shows that it is highly effective and safe when deployed in house spraying on walls using diluted amount of DDT which acts as an irritant.

DDT does cause serious health problem and threat to bald eagle, there's many studies said so, especially wikipedia so that why DDT is restricted and banned in many countries.

Argument is over because we won that DDT is banned in USA for general use so toobad to you or others who want DDT to be legal so no way, hahahahaha.
 
there's many studies said so, especially wikipedia

Wiki is a study now????


Argument is over because we won that DDT is banned in USA for general use so toobad to you or others who want DDT to be legal so no way, hahahahaha.

Are you saying it is impossible to overturn a ban?? Especially one that is 36 years old?
 
I haven't used DEET or any insecticide... except once since I fond out that even mild usage of insecticides cause neuro damage in reptiles, small animals and small dogs and cats.
 
DDT does cause serious health problem and threat to bald eagle, there's many studies said so, especially wikipedia so that why DDT is restricted and banned in many countries.

Argument is over because we won that DDT is banned in USA for general use so toobad to you or others who want DDT to be legal so no way, hahahahaha.

First rule of thumb here, never refer to Wikipedia as your source.

I was referring to DDT bans in Africa and other countries that have and had serious Malaria problems where millions have died because DDT was banned and discontinued in the first place...not about the U.S.

The bald eagle thing is a myth.

While the AP acknowledged the fact that bald eagle populations “were considered a nuisance and routinely shot by hunters, farmers and fishermen” – spurring a 1940 federal law protecting bald eagles – the AP underplayed the significance of hunting and human encroachment and erroneously blamed DDT for the eagles’ near demise.

As early as 1921, the journal Ecology reported that bald eagles were threatened with extinction – 22 years before DDT production even began. According to a report in the National Museum Bulletin, the bald eagle reportedly had vanished from New England by 1937 – 10 years before widespread use of the pesticide

But by 1960 – 20 years after the Bald Eagle Protection Act and at the peak of DDT use – the Audubon Society reported counting 25 percent more eagles than in its pre-1941 census. U.S. Forest Service studies reported an increase in nesting bald eagle productivity from 51 in 1964 to 107 in 1970, according to the 1970 Annual Report on Bald Eagle Status.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service attributed bald eagle population reductions to a “widespread loss of suitable habitat,” but noted that “illegal shooting continues to be the leading cause of direct mortality in both adult and immature bald eagles,” according to a 1978 report in the Endangered Species Tech Bulletin.

A 1984 National Wildlife Federation publication listed hunting, power line electrocution, collisions in flight and poisoning from eating ducks containing lead shot as the leading causes of eagle deaths.

In addition to these reports, numerous scientific studies and experiments vindicate DDT.

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biologists fed large doses of DDT to captive bald eagles for 112 days and concluded that “DDT residues encountered by eagles in the environment would not adversely affect eagles or their eggs,” according to a 1966 report published in the “Transcripts of 31st North America Wildlife Conference.”

The USFWS examined every bald eagle found dead in the U.S. between 1961-1977 (266 birds) and reported no adverse effects caused by DDT or its residues.


One of the most notorious DDT “factoids” is that it thinned bird egg shells. But a 1970 study published in Pesticides Monitoring Journal reported that DDT residues in bird egg shells were not correlated with thinning. Numerous other feeding studies on caged birds indicate that DDT isn’t associated with egg shell thinning.

In the few studies claiming to implicate DDT as the cause of thinning, the birds were fed diets that were either low in calcium, included other known egg shell-thinning substances, or that contained levels of DDT far in excess of levels that would be found in the environment – and even then, the massive doses produced much less thinning than what had been found in egg shells in the wild.

So what causes thin bird egg shells? The potential culprits are many. Some that have been reported in the scientific literature include: oil; lead; mercury; stress from noise, fear, excitement or disease; age; bird size (larger birds produce thicker shells); dehydration; temperature; decreased light; human and predator intrusion; restraint and nutrient deficiencies.

FOXNews.com - Bald Eagle-DDT Myth Still Flying High - Opinion

Might want to keep the "hahahaha" to yourself the next time.
 
First rule of thumb here, never refer to Wikipedia as your source.

I was referring to DDT bans in Africa and other countries that have and had serious Malaria problems where millions have died because DDT was banned and discontinued in the first place...not about the U.S.

The bald eagle thing is a myth.



FOXNews.com - Bald Eagle-DDT Myth Still Flying High - Opinion

Might want to keep the "hahahaha" to yourself the next time.

It is little cute for you to worry about malaria situation in Africa that we don't have any choice because it is up to government in African countries that make DDT banned or follow the organization, so nothing that you could doing to Africa, except for concern about malaria situation.

There is no rules about wikipedia isn't allow to use as source since they have many citation below so you can find it and wikipedia is good for quick reference so just not good for college research, AD isn't college but just forum.

Sure, I have many non-wikipedia sources that backed my argument about DDT is bad at beyond, even I'm side with Jiro about good to certain degree, such as fighting against malaria.

DDT finally linked to human health problems - 13 July 2001 - New Scientist
DDT - A Brief History and Status | Pesticides | US EPA
July ‘09: Toxic pesticide DDT has unhealthy legacy in Ararat Valley
Scientists raise concerns about ongoing use and health effects of DDT: IU News Room: Indiana University

I have source that support Jiro's post about WHO approved use of DDT for African countries.
WHO Urges Use of DDT in Africa - washingtonpost.com

Wildlife experts believe there may have been 25,000 to as many as 75,000 nesting bald eagles in the lower 48 states when the bird was adopted as our national symbol in 1782. Since that time, the bald eagle has suffered from habitat destruction and degradation, illegal shooting, and contamination of its food source, most notably due to the pesticide DDT. By the early 1960s there were fewer than 450 bald eagle nesting pairs in the lower 48 states.

Bald eagles have few natural enemies. But in general they need an environment of quiet isolation; tall, mature trees; and clean waters. Those conditions have changed over much of the bald eagle's former habitat. .

In 1940, noting that the national bird was "threatened with extinction," Congress passed the Bald Eagle Protection Act which made it illegal to kill, harass, possess (without a permit), or sell bald eagles. In 1967, bald eagles were officially declared an endangered species (under a law that preceded the Endangered Species Act of 1973) in all areas of the United States south of the 40th parallel. Federal and state government agencies, along with private organizations, successfully sought to alert the public about the bald eagle's plight and to protect its habitat from further destruction.

The greatest threat to the bald eagle's existence arose from the widespread use of DDT and other pesticides after World War II. DDT was sprayed on croplands throughout the country and its residues washed into lakes and streams. There, they were absorbed by aquatic plants and small animals that were eaten by fish. The contaminated fish, in turn, were consumed by bald eagles.

The chemical interfered with the bald eagle's ability to develop strong shells for its eggs. As a result, bald eagles and many other bird species began laying eggs with shells so thin they often broke during incubation or otherwise failed to hatch. Their reproduction disrupted, bald eagle populations plummeted. As the dangers of DDT became known, in large part due to Rachel Carson's famous book Silent Spring, this chemical was banned for most uses in the U.S. in 1972.

In addition to the adverse effects of DDT, bald eagles also died from lead poisoning as a result of feeding on hunter-killed or crippled waterfowl containing lead shot and from lead shot that was inadvertently ingested by the waterfowl. (In 1991, a 5- year program to phase out the use of lead shot for waterfowl hunting was completed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.)

With these and other recovery methods, as well as habitat improvement and the banning of DDT, bald eagle populations have steadily increased. From fewer than 450 nesting pairs in the early 1960s, there are now nearly 4,500 adult bald eagle nesting pairs and an unknown number of young and subadults in the conterminous U.S. In the last few years, several states have had breeding bald eagles for the first time in years.

The Bald Eagle Sanctuary Marco Island

There were just 417 nesting pairs in 1963.

Vast habitat protections and a ban on the insecticide DDT are primarily responsible for the eagle population boom, which has brought the bird's numbers to nearly 10,000 nesting pairs today, he noted.

To the Brink and Back

At the turn of the 20th century, the bird of prey—and the U.S. national symbol—was hunted and its habitat logged as humans migrated west, explained Nicholas Throckmorton of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in Washington, D.C.

The service oversees the U.S. Endangered Species Act and made the delisting announcement this morning.

Concerned about dwindling populations, Congress in 1940 passed the Bald Eagle Protection Act, which made it illegal to shoot at, kill, or poison the birds.

"The eagles did go up from the time that act was passed until DDT came on the scene," Throckmorton said.

The insecticide, widely used in the 1950s and '60s, accumulated in the food chain and caused birds of prey to lay eggs with thinned eggshells, which hindered reproduction and brought the eagle population to its lowest point.

DDT was banned in 1972, and the eagles began to recover. Congress passed a precursor to the Endangered Species Act in 1967. The modern act was enacted in 1973, and the bald eagle was among the first hundred or so species to be protected.

Bald Eagles Soar Off Endangered Species List, But Will Act Be Weakened?
 
LOL, ]let's reinstate Agent Orange, too!!! LOL!!!!

Anyway, I think this laser mosquito thing is awesome. I hate those little bloodsuckers. Kill them all!!!!

Lol. Yup, we were assured the stuff was harmless. :)
 
There's sources from my college database that I found is interesting about DDT issues and all of them are in pdf but attachment in this forum is limited so don't know how to figure out to send more than 1 attachment and more than 75 KB limited.

Of course, there is pro-DDT and anti-DDT but I'm more leaning to anti-DDT, however I believe that African countries should use it to fighting the malaria until alternative has invent, it could be more effective and less toxic than other chemicals, including DDT.
 
Not quite the case. There's more to it.
http://www.degroenerekenkamer.nl/grkfiles/pa513.pdf

Ban on DDT has killed more people than Hitler, most of them children.

HAHAHAHAHA!!! You sure you didn't get that from Wiki??!?!:)

"Critics claim that restrictions on the use of DDT in vector control have resulted in substantial numbers of unnecessary deaths due to malaria. Estimates for the number of these deaths range from hundreds of thousands, according to Nicholas Kristof,[107] to much higher figures. Robert Gwadz of the National Institutes of Health said in 2007 that "The ban on DDT may have killed 20 million children."[108] These arguments have been called "outrageous" by former WHO scientist Socrates Litsios, and May Berenbaum, an entomologist at the University of Illinois, says that "to blame environmentalists who oppose DDT for more deaths than Hitler is worse than irresponsible." Investigative journalist Adam Sarvana and others characterize this notion as a "myth" promoted principally by Roger Bate of the pro-DDT advocacy group Africa Fighting Malaria (AFM) in service of his anti-regulatory, free market ideology."


"Criticisms of a "ban" on DDT often specifically reference the 1972 US ban (with the erroneous implication that this constituted a worldwide ban and prohibited use of DDT in vector control). Reference is often made to Rachel Carson's Silent Spring even though she never pushed for a ban on DDT"

DDT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When are you gonna stop jumping to conclusions?
 
HAHAHAHAHA!!! You sure you didn't get that from Wiki??!?!:)

"Critics claim that restrictions on the use of DDT in vector control have resulted in substantial numbers of unnecessary deaths due to malaria. Estimates for the number of these deaths range from hundreds of thousands, according to Nicholas Kristof,[107] to much higher figures. Robert Gwadz of the National Institutes of Health said in 2007 that "The ban on DDT may have killed 20 million children."[108] These arguments have been called "outrageous" by former WHO scientist Socrates Litsios, and May Berenbaum, an entomologist at the University of Illinois, says that "to blame environmentalists who oppose DDT for more deaths than Hitler is worse than irresponsible." Investigative journalist Adam Sarvana and others characterize this notion as a "myth" promoted principally by Roger Bate of the pro-DDT advocacy group Africa Fighting Malaria (AFM) in service of his anti-regulatory, free market ideology."


"Criticisms of a "ban" on DDT often specifically reference the 1972 US ban (with the erroneous implication that this constituted a worldwide ban and prohibited use of DDT in vector control). Reference is often made to Rachel Carson's Silent Spring even though she never pushed for a ban on DDT"

DDT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When are you gonna stop jumping to conclusions?

Nope. That was my own after seeing the number of people who have died from malaria after DDT was banned after 1972. The single act of banning DDT resulted in more deaths since 1972 than Hitler could've dreamed of. If you add it up after 1972, that's a lot of deaths because of some environmental wackos in bed with certain politicians made sure that DDT get banned.
THE DDT BAN TURNS 30 — Millions Dead of Malaria Because of Ban, More Deaths Likely > Health Issues > ACSH
 
Might want to keep the "hahahaha" to yourself the next time.

I'm sorry about mocking at you but I shouldn't do like that, however I still don't agree with you about situation with DDT, except for malaria case in Africa.

WHO did urge African countries to use DDT to fighting the malaria.
 
I'm sorry about mocking at you but I shouldn't do like that, however I still don't agree with you about situation with DDT, except for malaria case in Africa.

WHO did urge African countries to use DDT to fighting the malaria.

No, WHO did not urge African countries to use DDT, else they'd be violating there very own agenda to reduce the use of DDT or POPs.

What situation are you talking about? I'm talking specifically about the ban of DDT that have resulted in the deaths of millions of people, many of them children. Maybe get those organizations to issue apologies and have those people affected by Malaria and family of those who died get some kind of restitution or payments in kind for their meddling over a false science?
 
No, WHO did not urge African countries to use DDT, else they'd be violating there very own agenda to reduce the use of DDT or POPs.

What situation are you talking about? I'm talking specifically about the ban of DDT that have resulted in the deaths of millions of people, many of them children. Maybe get those organizations to issue apologies and have those people affected by Malaria and family of those who died get some kind of restitution or payments in kind for their meddling over a false science?

I have source for you about WHO did urge to African countries to use DDT, even it is already on research database that I found from my college, there's source from news below.
WHO Urges Use of DDT in Africa - washingtonpost.com
 
Rather misleading since WHO's goal is to reduce the reliance on DDT.

WHO | Strengthening malaria control while reducing reliance on DDT

WHO is currently facing a double challenge - a commitment to the goal of drastically and sustainably reducing the burden of vector-borne diseases, in particular malaria, and at the same time a commitment to the goal of reducing reliance on DDT in disease vector control, in line with the Stockholm Convention which entered into force in May 2004.

WHO is working with countries and partners to strengthen capacities to plan, implement and evaluate integrated vector management, to develop, test and introduce chemical and non-chemical alternatives to DDT, and to improve the use and management of insecticides for vector control.

But then again, WHO makes a paradoxical statement:

The Principal Health Officer of Botswana, Davis Ntebela, stated that “there is no need to worry as long as users of DDT follow WHO recommendations. DDT poses no threat to the environment as long as recommendations are observed."
Another African nation reintroduces DDT into its malaria control arsenal

If no threat, then take the DDT off of the POP ban list then as long as proper dosages are used and applied appropriately.
 
Evidently, someone is relying on information pre-1950's in their support of DDT. Here is a link from a reputable university that will provide a quick PPT lesson on the effects of DDT.

Effects of DDT


I would certainly trust the information provided by Duke University more than by some self proclaimed scientist that does not even provide valid links to support his claims.
 
Hello, little buddy!!! I see nothing much has changed!:laugh2:

nope nope! still a same old troublemaker. I haven't changed much since toddler. looks like we've got another one here too! :lol:
 
Evidently, someone is relying on information pre-1950's in their support of DDT. Here is a link from a reputable university that will provide a quick PPT lesson on the effects of DDT.



I would certainly trust the information provided by Duke University.

:dunno: I hear the are pretty busy preparing for their stimulus funded vacation. Might have missed something
 
Evidently, someone is relying on information pre-1950's in their support of DDT. Here is a link from a reputable university that will provide a quick PPT lesson on the effects of DDT.

Effects of DDT


I would certainly trust the information provided by Duke University more than by some self proclaimed scientist that does not even provide valid links to support his claims.

Welcome back to AD... :D :D :D
 
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