Proposal for Audism policy to be placed in the guidelines

Implement an Audism policy in the AD Guidelines

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 58.1%

  • No

    Votes: 9 29.0%

  • Unsure

    Votes: 4 12.9%
  • Total voters
    31
Lighthouse77 said:
As far as no one knows ASL... her family will. Her hearing friends will try to learn with her. Is clear communication in your goal with your daughter/father relationship? If so, consider ASL

I grew up without ASL. Please read our story before you decide you don't want ASL
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This is an excellent post. You will find so, so many stories here that are all variations on a common theme.

Spoken language will never be natural for your daughter. Even for those of us here who speak and lipread well, it is difficult and challenging. ASL is the true native language of the Deaf. Your daughter deserves a language that feels natural to her.

She can learn both ASL and spoken/written English concurrently. Don't let the "specialists" tell you otherwise.
 
I've made no decisions. I'm not anti-ASL. I know sign is going to be #1. We bought a sign dictionary and are trying our best to make every possible sign as we interact with our daughter. I have alot of feelers out looking for ASL teaching sources, in fact we met with one teacher last week, and have two more coming this week. For now, we'll continue our crude sign interaction, using what must be a weird version of SEE.
 
Everyone-

Please be advised that if your posts are not here and are deleted it is because we have gone through them and decided that some of these posts are off topic. Let me also remind you that there is absolutely no trolling, flaming or anything of the sort.

I realize we have very strong minded people here that like to debate. Audism is a heated topic and always will be in this world, and our forum. It is okay to have a personal opinion but you cannot point your finger at people because you feel it is necessary. You are allowed to post what you want within reason for debating. Please try to remember that EVERYONE is a person here, hearing, deaf, deafblind, etc.. Please also remember that just because you may have an understanding of one thing that everyone else automatically does also. We would all love to live in a world where everyone is educated about everything equally but it just isn't the case.

I think and a couple of us Mods have chatted and some people clearly have a distorted view on what Audism is. Some people do not know at all what it is and you cannot blame people who are not educated. We as a community should respect the views of each other and not just jump to blame someone for something they may not even know what it is. Educate, do not ridicule. If you do that, you are just as guilty as the people you are blaming.

I will also say this. Whether you are Deaf, deaf, Hearing, HOH, pro CI, not pro CI, Signing or oral we are all PEOPLE and most of us are here for the same reason. If you do not like what some people say, you do not have to read it, you have the right to click the screen off and not reply, I suggest that for many people sometimes.

Flaming and trolling will not be tolerated and by the definition of Audism which is basically anyone who puts down Deaf people knowingly to hurt someone of this commuinty will be banned. No questions asked, that is how it has always been here on AD.

With that being said, this thread will remain open but if it goes back to pointing fingers at people and naming names it will be closed.

Have a nice night..

CBE
 
Anyone who signs is going to meet audism. Hearing people such as myself who sign find signing things like "Hello" "Nice to meet you" "Where?" "Coffee tea which?" almost automatic whether there are deaf people around or not.

Some people ignore it, some are interested, and some will tell you to "Knock it off."

Oddly some of the most insulted are deaf people who feel you are demeaning them by implying they have to lower themselves to the level of someone who has to use their hands to communicate.

The fact is that I am hearing and my ASL is far less than I would like it to be but spoken language alone is not natural to me and never has been. Without classifiers, placement, facial expression, body incorporation and a couple of morphemes I might as well be tied and gagged.
 
iowaboy said:
I've made no decisions. I'm not anti-ASL. I know sign is going to be #1. We bought a sign dictionary and are trying our best to make every possible sign as we interact with our daughter. I have alot of feelers out looking for ASL teaching sources, in fact we met with one teacher last week, and have two more coming this week. For now, we'll continue our crude sign interaction, using what must be a weird version of SEE.
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Is this audism? I somehow get the feeling that shouting "audism" at parents doing what they think is good, when the deaf community see trouble, can hit back on the child. It's interesting how similar the thinking of hearing parents are; first they get a child, and are told that one should not worry to much, they can learn to listen and speak. Then they discover a fierce deaf community that emphasis ASL, and try to please that community. After using some signs, they discover that the child speak back. With CI it indeed looks like those children don't need ASL after all. Doubt arise. What are the deaf commnunity really trying to tell me? Isn't that all about politics?

We know that problems often arise when those "sucessful" children becomes teenagers and grown ups, that's really then those children get in trouble, and without ASL and a deaf community to fall back on, they are left out there, confused.

Will parents understand this when we tell them they are audists at every wrong step they do? I am not saying deaf people should shut up and please everyone, but this audism thing isn't that simple to me.

Welcome to alldeaf, btw, Iowaboy!
 
Here are the transcripts from the YouTube videos exactly as they are in order. I will complete the remaining two today. Thanks for your patience. :hug:

Dr Schroeder's vlog

Carl Schroeder is intrigued by the book he's currently reading, The Most Dangerous Animal: Human Nature and the Origins of War by David Livingstone Smith. Our Deaf community is necessary to form concepts because imagination does not give a better grasp of reality.

Carl Schroeder warns that hate tends to lock us into the blame game for whom we have little empathy or understanding. For example do have very little understanding of people who are incompletely evolved into our human nature. We must always be sure not to be in the hate trap.
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My vlog

Ownership of hate crime is always hard to accept. Those groups who committed the hate crimes; they have to accept ownership. The groups have to admit ownership of their actions instead of finger-pointing & standing by and observing.
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Dr Schroeder's vlog

Hello, you brought up a good word -“ownership”. Ownership of a hate crime; awareness & admittance is a very important step for changing the future. Reading up on several books on hate crimes; most of them agree on one thing; calling the blame game. Someone must be blamed. Someone must be labeled like “The Elephant in that room. Blame that person! That;s ownership, analyzing the meaning of the hate crime. Do I practise hate? Do I practise crimes? If so, both of them, what does that mean to me and the future? Thanks for your involvement.
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I will post the remaining vlogs with transcripts.
 
I keep seeing people defining audism as hearing is superior to deaf. While that is part of the definition there is more to it and for the sake of this discussion, I feel it should be included in any policy. Don't forget there are also deaf audists. Those deaf that feel superior or shun other deaf people that don't consider themselves as part of "Deaf culture" or that feel superior or shun those deaf people that have opted for CI's. This form of Audism is perpetuated by deaf and not hearing people. Audism can be from hearing to deaf but also can be from deaf to hearing or deaf to deaf. No matter how you slice it or who is serving it up it is ugly.

http://www.alldeaf.com/our-world-our-culture/26284-making-word-audism-more.html#post492621
 
rockdrummer said:
I keep seeing people defining audism as hearing is superior to deaf. While that is part of the definition there is more to it and for the sake of this discussion, I feel it should be included in any policy. Don't forget there are also deaf audists. Those deaf that feel superior or shun other deaf people that don't consider themselves as part of "Deaf culture" or that feel superior or shun those deaf people that have opted for CI's. This form of Audism is perpetuated by deaf and not hearing people. Audism can be from hearing to deaf but also can be from deaf to hearing or deaf to deaf. No matter how you slice it or who is serving it up it is ugly.

http://www.alldeaf.com/our-world-our-culture/26284-making-word-audism-more.html#post492621
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There are alot more born-deaf audists but they all been shaped and molded by audists themselves. Otherwise, they would have very little knowledge of spoken language and hearing because they are deaf. It's a learned behavior, in my opinion. Even I can be an audist because how I was raised.

there is a name for deafs who shun deaf because they are not "D"eaf but it isn't called audism.
 
Berry said:
Oddly some of the most insulted are deaf people who feel you are demeaning them by implying they have to lower themselves to the level of someone who has to use their hands to communicate.
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<--- This feeling is usually rooted from audism itself. I think they have a very hard time understanding there are hearing people who sign are not audists.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
There are alot more born-deaf audists but they all been shaped and molded by audists themselves. Otherwise, they would have very little knowledge of spoken language and hearing because they are deaf. It's a learned behavior, in my opinion. Even I can be an audist because how I was raised.

there is a name for deafs who shun deaf because they are not "D"eaf but it isn't called audism.
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http://www.alldeaf.com/our-world-our-culture/26284-making-word-audism-more.html#post492621
 
I have always had a problem when people use words out of context or when they re-define words to meet an agenda. Audism as coined and defined by Dr. Tom Humphries can be perpetuated from hearing to deaf or deaf to hearing or deaf to deaf. Audism is not just perpetuated by hearing individuals. There are deaf Auditst.
 
rockdrummer said:
http://www.alldeaf.com/our-world-our-culture/26284-making-word-audism-more.html#post492621
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i see what you mean even though I didn't read the whole thing (I multitask with a child and chores at home so I had to speedread)

yes, if a deaf person is obsess with another deaf's hearing status, instead of determine if he is culturally deaf by his action and attitude, yes, that audism too. Because I don't know why they would care how hearing they are. Unless they feel they wouldn't understand where they are coming from because they have exposure to hearing world.
 
rockdrummer said:
I have always had a problem when people use words out of context or when they re-define words to meet an agenda. Audism as coined and defined by Dr. Tom Humphries can be perpetuated from hearing to deaf or deaf to hearing or deaf to deaf. Audism is not just perpetuated by hearing individuals. There are deaf Auditst.
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how are we re-defining audism? tell me.
 
It is interesting to see deaf people here defend Deaf culture and the Deaf commmunity and it is the hearing people who bring up Deaf audists. :hmm:
 
Thank you Lighthouse for taking the time to read and understand my point. I appreciate it.

Lighthouse77 said:
i see what you mean even though I didn't read the whole thing (I multitask with a child and chores at home so I had to speedread)

yes, if a deaf person is obsess with another deaf's hearing status, instead of determine if he is culturally deaf by his action and attitude, yes, that audism too. Because I don't know why they would care how hearing they are. Unless they feel they wouldn't understand where they are coming from because they have exposure to hearing world.
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