Court eases business, union election spending rule

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I bet there would be revolution if corporations make US election so rigged or unfair, that's not what Americans want for.

Netrox, yup, conservative ADers just want have majority republicans in congress and republican president for life.
 
I see all the usual AD Conservatives calling it a good decision, and my mood gets gloomier. Another victory for Big Money interests. Hence, my signature never changes...
Opposing bans on political speech is now solely the domain of conservatives? That's sad. About your signature, what's true power? The ability to buy political ads on TV? Or the ability to prevent groups from putting ads on TV? Hint: one of them involves coercion and the other doesn't.

Incidentally, why should corporations who own newspapers and news networks be exempt from bans on political speech that apply to every other corporation?
 
I bet there would be revolution if corporations make US election so rigged or unfair, that's not what Americans want for.

Netrox, yup, conservative ADers just want have majority republicans in congress and republican president for life.

It's not just corporations. It's anybody within a group, no matter how big or small, a company, an organization to huge corporations. Darkdog provides a good example on why should the media corporation get a pass on this when other non-media corporations cannot even raise a political opinion about a candidate? Seems very one-sided to me.
 
It's not just corporations. It's anybody within a group, no matter how big or small, a company, an organization to huge corporations. Darkdog provides a good example on why should the media corporation get a pass on this when other non-media corporations cannot even raise a political opinion about a candidate? Seems very one-sided to me.

I'm rather going encouraging Americans to think on their own about election instead of listen or bow at corporation, organization, union or churches.

If they does so they wouldn't make good decision on vote so that why I want reform to make high school kids to understand about democracy instead of being puppet with no knowledge about politics.
 
Like Darkdog said, are you for 1st amendment or not?

I am for The First Amendment but please cite where it protects corporations? The press and the people are only ones protected. The Constitution was made for the people and the press, not for companies.

So, nice way to frame your question to imply that I am anti-First Amendment. Typical FAUX of you.
 
"Congress shall make no law... abridging freedom of speech". Political speech was ground zero for that protection and nobody at the time of ratification took it to mean companies were exempt. And who do you think runs the press?

Sorry, but if you're carving out exceptions to the first amendment for entities you don't like simply because you don't like them, that is pretty anti-first amendment.
 
About your signature, what's true power?

I could change it....nope. It speaks for what I believe in.

I figure, if the Conservatives here are all in, that tells me this is not something I should freely endorse. There is a track record here. Round up the wagons. MOR and Liberals to the side; full steam ahead with Conservative ideology.

My perspective is that both sides offer good and bad, but it appears that the AD Conservative Coalition (hereafter known as ADCC) sees nothing but one way. *Shrugs.* Feel free to McGruder me, and slap hands with your associates. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
 
I'm rather going encouraging Americans to think on their own about election instead of listen or bow at corporation, organization, union or churches.

If they does so they wouldn't make good decision on vote so that why I want reform to make high school kids to understand about democracy instead of being puppet with no knowledge about politics.

well - how would you and the Americans know about the candidates? Beside - high school students are not legally allowed to elect and if they chose to be ignorant about politics, they most likely won't participate in voting.

College is usually a good source for maturing them and to make them more aware about it. Sometimes, Sometimes not.
 
well - how would you and the Americans know about the candidates? Beside - high school students are not legally allowed to elect and if they chose to be ignorant about politics, they most likely won't participate in voting.

College is usually a good source for maturing them and to make them more aware about it. Sometimes, Sometimes not.

I means usually it has teach to anyone who is in senior aka 12th grade.

I have feel that taking government course at high school isn't enough for me so I just learned about democracy in America from my families and some of school faculties in past.

Yup, college is better source to know it.
 
I means usually it has teach to anyone who is in senior aka 12th grade.

I have feel that taking government course at high school isn't enough for me so I just learned about democracy in America from my families and some of school faculties in past.
eh they're kids. IMO - kids shouldn't be concerning themselves with politic. They should be focusing on colleges and their future.

Yup, college is better source to know it.
yes. it's better time and place for it. not HS.
 
I am for The First Amendment but please cite where it protects corporations? The press and the people are only ones protected. The Constitution was made for the people and the press, not for companies.

How is it that the news media are able to express (pratically endorsing them) certain politicians on such a supportive level on air, live, with their commentaries a la, for example, Olbermann on MSNBC in order to try and influence the election? Olby is, btw, ranked dead last on cable/sat viewerships.

Citizens United, a conservative 501(c)(4) nonprofit that has funded a dozen political documentaries over the years, produced a critical documentary about Hillary Clinton in 2008 entitled “Hillary: The Movie.” By a decision of the federal government, which was enforcing the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act (known more broadly as McCain-Feingold), this piece of political speech was banned from television.

Let’s boil it down to the essential words: Political documentary, banned, government.

You don’t have to be a First Amendment purist to intuit that political speech was, if anything, the most urgent subcategory covered by the First Amendment’s “Congress shall pass no law” restrictions. And you don’t have to be a Hillary-hater to imagine the shoe on the other foot. What if MoveOn.org’s 501(c)(4), Campaign to Defend America, had been blocked by George W. Bush’s Federal Elections Commission from broadcasting “McCain:
The Movie”? Wouldn’t that stink, too?…

Even if you just can’t bring yourself to believe that people who take civil liberties seriously have long-held serious civil libertarian criticisms of campaign-finance laws, or if you simply think they’re all wrong, I’ll offer this last salve: It has never been easier for groups of citizens to swarm together and flow money through the Internet toward campaigns and candidates who excite them. Ask Ron Paul — or more relevantly, Barack Obama — what’s more powerful: $10 million from Dr. Evil Industries, or $10 each from 1 million people who can actually vote?
Government can't squelch free speech - CNN.com
 
eh they're kids. IMO - kids shouldn't be concerning themselves with politic. They should be focusing on colleges and their future.


yes. it's better time and place for it. not HS.

Oh okay, I know some HS kids know about politics like I did.
 
so based on what I read in OP's post -

The Supreme Court overturned 2 previous rulings -
1. to upend federal legislation that says corporations may not use their profits to support or oppose candidates and
2. to declare unconstitutional a large portion of the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform act passed in 2002.

FYI - McCain-Feingold
The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, which was nicknamed after bill sponsors Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Russ Feingold (D-Wis.). The legislation regulates the financing of political campaigns by banning “soft money” political donations and raising the cap on individual "hard money" contributions.

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Under current law, there are severe restrictions on campaign ads used by corporations for federal elections. They generally must be issue-focused -- talking about abortion or taxes, for instance -- and not expressly supporting or opposing a candidate. Those limits have now been generally removed.

So yea.... a very interesting overturn by Supreme Court. After all......
The battle over restricting corporate and union spending in political campaigns does not necessarily break down along ideological lines: The American Civil Liberties Union and the National Rifle Association supported Citizens United.

as Judge Kennedy said - "Americans should be trusted to decide competing election issues."
 
more information on the effect of this latest overturn on McCain-Feingold

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Section 203 of the comprehensive Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act of 2002, widely known as the McCain-Feingold law, bans the broadcast of "electioneering communication" by corporations, trade groups, unions and some issue advocacy groups, if the material would air close to election dates and identify candidates by name or image.

The law also requires an on-screen notice of the groups financing such ads, as well as public disclosure of all who donated to the sponsoring organizations.

The landmark McCain-Feingold law took effect the day after the November 2002 elections.

Among its many provisions are a ban on "soft money," the unlimited and unregulated contributions to national political parties; a ban, in the 60 days before an election, on advocacy ads, those criticizing or supporting a candidate's stand on an issue; contribution limits; and donor disclosure requirements.

Much of McCain-Feingold remains unaffected by the high court's latest ruling, including the current ban on large, unregulated donations to political parties and the candidates themselves by corporations. The case also does not affect political action committees, separate groups created by corporations, unions and others that can contribute directly to federal candidates.

PAC money has a $5,000-per-candidate limit, and must be funded through voluntary contributions from employees, members or individuals, not by direct corporate or union treasuries.


The ruling could have far-reaching effects beyond the federal arena. Twenty-two states have similar bans on corporate spending in state and local elections. Restrictions on money in gubernatorial, legislative and even judicial races could soon be a thing of the past.

"Campaign 2010 was already bulked up with the potential of campaign ad spending," said Evan Tracey, president of Campaign Media Analysis Group and CNN's consultant on political television advertising. "Now it's on steroids."

so don't worry America... we'll be fine :)
 
I am for The First Amendment but please cite where it protects corporations? The press and the people are only ones protected. The Constitution was made for the people and the press, not for companies.

So, nice way to frame your question to imply that I am anti-First Amendment. Typical FAUX of you.

but companies/organizations are made up of people who share same views. Look at PETA. It's an organization of people who share same/similar view about animals. They are free to say whatever they want. After all - they used Michelle Obama. That's the first Amendment.
 
interesting opinion ya'all have. This overturning by Supreme Court is even more interesting. I'm surprised at their razor-sharp interpretation on a very specific, narrow part and I have to agree with them even though it is hard to stay objective about it. But I can see how this overturn created a lot of confusions. That's why I reserved my objection.

After reading few source... because I had a specific question in mind. Since much of McCain-Feingold remains intact.... I support this Supreme Court's overturn. Good work, Citizens United on this very specific issue - the First Amendment.

I was bothered by Obama's bitching about this ruling because his comment implies that we're bunch of sheep who do not have common sense. :roll:

Does government have rights to put a limit on what can be said and who can say it and where can they say it and how they say it? :nono:

For those who are disgusted by this overturn - well... since it's a free country, you are free to not listen to whoever is spouting to you. You can turn off tv. You can flip past the certain ads in your magazine/newspaper. and..... most importantly - you can vote for whoever you like. Let anybody - corporations, unions, organizations, etc. say whatever they want. I don't have a problem with this because there is already a ban on corporations donating a hefty, unregulated donations to candidates. and there's already a $5,000-per-candidate limit.

The only thing that has changed is that corporations are FREE to speak about a specific candidate - either by supporting or dissing. That's all.
 
I was bothered by Obama's bitching about this ruling because his comment implies that we're bunch of sheep who do not have common sense. :roll:

Hello? The public is a sheep. Why do you think they're so damn fickle in polls? They don't understand and studies have shown over and over - the more money being pumped, the better chance they will be persuaded. The more we pay to people to do the job, the better they will do it even if it harms them in the long term.

Does government have rights to put a limit on what can be said and who can say it and where can they say it and how they say it? :nono:

The First Amendment should be interpreted to protect the rights of the people and the press and not to be extended to private corporations. Otherwise, why not extend person hood to pets and properties? No, corporations should NOT be viewed as "persons" and the court's ruling on it is just as wrong as it was when it declared that it's a person 100 years ago or so.

For those who are disgusted by this overturn - well... since it's a free country, you are free to not listen to whoever is spouting to you. You can turn off tv.
The only thing that has changed is that corporations are FREE to speak about a specific candidate - either by supporting or dissing. That's all.

It will make a huge difference. Expect Obama to lose his election. Banks and health insurances will raise more moola!

Kinda comical when Kokonut takes out on MSM but gloats about Fox news having the highest rating of all "liberal" MSM - Faux news is THE MSM. :)
 
Hello? The public is a sheep. Why do you think they're so damn fickle in polls? They don't understand and studies have shown over and over - the more money being pumped, the better chance they will be persuaded. The more we pay to people to do the job, the better they will do it even if it harms them in the long term.



The First Amendment should be interpreted to protect the rights of the people and the press and not to be extended to private corporations. Otherwise, why not extend person hood to pets and properties? No, corporations should NOT be viewed as "persons" and the court's ruling on it is just as wrong as it was when it declared that it's a person 100 years ago or so.



It will make a huge difference. Expect Obama to lose his election. Banks and health insurances will raise more moola!

Kinda comical when Kokonut takes out on MSM but gloats about Fox news having the highest rating of all "liberal" MSM - Faux news is THE MSM. :)

I think many companies are remain to be neutral about politics, especially wal fart.
 
I could change it....nope. It speaks for what I believe in.
For the record, I fully agree with the quote. I don't think it will ever happen, but if it were to happen, the world would be a much better place. However, if our concern is to reign in greed for power, whose power shall we reign in? You still haven't answered my question: Who has the power to coerce and override others' wills? Corporations or government?

I figure, if the Conservatives here are all in, that tells me this is not something I should freely endorse.
That's the way you approach important issues like suppression of political speech? Well, it does beat the tough work of having to actually scrutinize the issues.

My perspective is that both sides offer good and bad, but it appears that the AD Conservative Coalition (hereafter known as ADCC) sees nothing but one way. *Shrugs.* Feel free to McGruder me, and slap hands with your associates. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Both sides offer good things, but whatever conservatives are for, you're against. Got it.
 
Darkdog, do you think corporations or unions should be considered full "persons?"
 
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