Attn: Addressing some issues that has been going on.

shel90, I agreed with you. There are a few hearing people who are so patronizing and oppressive. And we know them and we avoid them.

And another suggestion is to limit postings per day, like 10.
the top 7 posters and their posting # is too much.
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I am with you. My problem lies with people who have discredited deaf people's experiences when they aren't deaf themselves.
 
yeah agreed. For instance....say I read the paper with coffee in morning...see a bit of TV news...and peek on the internet news.......and later in day...at work...say to someone ...'oh I saw in news that such and such happened'......now in real life...I don't have to pull some notes out of my pocket to prove where I got this info....it is just a general observation........someone want to call me on my claim they can go look for it anywhere......casual common courtesy....just says'''oh really?''''but in here now it turns into ...'I think you're a liar...show me the proof'......baloney...that is not casual conversation.
Somebody wants some proof.....go look for it...don't tell me what I need to do in my life.Ya don't believe it then don't believe it. No skin off my back. Sure as hell ain't going to work for you cuz ya got a bug up your butt.

Oh, excuse me, I'm sorry, I'm not talking about "prove it or else" cases. I wouldn't normally ask people to prove what they're saying actually, but if I ask for a citation (I probably wouldn't use that word) and somebody gives me a rude-seeming refusal, that would cause me to doubt that person's honesty. My request for the source in MY personal statements is usually because I'm interested, and would like to read more about it. As was mentioned before, little facts are often out of context, and if I know where the information comes from, I can broaden the context for my own benefit.
 
There are many on this forum that do a lot of posting, and their posts contribute in a positive way. I would imagine the result of limiting posts per day, especially to something as substantial as ten, would at first cause the same conversations to take longer, then eventually cause the top contributors to become bored and gradually stop contributing. Then the rest of us would leave because we're here to see what they have to say, and when they're saying nothing, we can go read nothing somewhere else.
 
shel90, I agreed with you. There are a few hearing people who are so patronizing and oppressive. And we know them and we avoid them.

And another suggestion is to limit postings per day, like 10.
the top 7 posters and their posting # is too much.
31,749
31,211
30,963
23,260
22,421
21,481
21,244

Why does the number of post that each poster have matter? Some people have been members here on AD for a long time and their post count build up.

Oh, and why limit to 10 postings a day? Everyone is different and really, nobody should dictate on how people spend their times, IMO.
 
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In that case, you could simply say that it was so many years ago that you don't remember, rather than "Find it yourself." I wouldn't expect you to remember after so long, and even if it was just yesterday, it's perfectly okay if you just forgot. Saying, "I've given you all the information you need" vs "I'm sorry, I don't have more specific information" makes a difference. That's my point.
I didn't mean to address the point of troublemakers. I think their problem is their own, and we all have that ignore button if they really bother us that much. But since I've been accused of missing the point, I'll just say that I know there are people out there whose soul purpose in life is to make others suffer, but I would rather misjudge a cruel person as kind and treat him/her with courtesy than misjudge a kind person as cruel and treat him/her with discourtesy. Providing information that I have at my fingertips doesn't make me suffer, much to the troublemakers' distress. If said troublemakers refuse to access the information I provide, it's their loss as far as I'm concerned. If they choose to pursue the matter after ignoring my citation, they can wine and cry to me til they're blue in the face, and I won't waste my time with them. That's not my point though.

By the way, I didn't ask for a paragraph or line, and if you only have a rough guess where I might find it, that's just human, and that's perfectly alright with me. I'm not a university professor. If I were, this is not my classroom. If you aren't able to provide me with enough information, I'm not going to give you a bad grade. I'm perfectly capable of forgetting where I may have read certain things. In fact, it has happened many times.

So, am I clear? I don't mean that like a commander or something. I'm just asking if there's anything I can clarify. I'm not too good with words.

I agree with the bolded part. There is no need to say "prove it" to everything, but I think it is unfair to say "I have proof, but find it yourself." And let's not pretend that doesn't get said by the same people again and again...
 
Well, since I have been a party to this problem of trolling, I apologize publicly here. Using the ignore feature was not an easy decision for me, but it was the right decision. I have never had issues with differing political views, but I do take issues with a general lack of respect for the leadership of my country. Millions have fought and died for our freedoms. Showing lack of respect for a new leader is not the same as not agreeing with him, and I felt many of the topics were veiled attempts to entice replies; which would open the floodgates for posting slanted articles and web sources. Not everything you read on the Internet is fact, or I would have won lotteries, married a beautiful 27 year old, and be hung like a horse.

I recently made a decision to avoid posting in the hot topics, such as politics and current events. It has been a good decision for me, because life has kept me occupied with enough difficult moments that getting a verbal beatdown for expressing an opinion would have driven my spirits just a bit lower. After all, that is what I post; my opinions. I don't spend hours a day researching Obama or Bush. I have too much else on my plate to provide a full discourse on how I feel. Some of these discussions would take several hours of reading to get through all the links and articles. We all pretty much know how certain members stand on things. I still read the topics, but with a grain of salt.

Anyhow, glad to see this subject addressed. There are certainly others that have slipped away after seeing all the ruckus here. Would be nice to come together as a group with a similar objective; to make our world a better place.
 
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shel90, I agreed with you. There are a few hearing people who are so patronizing and oppressive. And we know them and we avoid them.

And another suggestion is to limit postings per day, like 10.
the top 7 posters and their posting # is too much.
31,749
31,211
30,963
23,260
22,421
21,481
21,244

hey.. I think i'm on the list! :wave:
 
If you suspect dishonesty, then it is your responsibility to confirm your suspicion. It is a matter of being responsible for what one wants to learn, or not learn.

I don't have any idea where this sense of entitlement to being spoon fed answers comes from. Seems to be a lot of it around. I believe in teaching a man to fish.
If someone claims a piece of information exists, whether within a document or on Google, even if I previously thought otherwise, I'll double check thoroughly to make sure. If I still can't find it, I don't automatically assume dishonesty- after all, I could have missed it, or perhaps the information wasn't explicit and I failed to read between the lines. I'll give that person the benefit of the doubt and ask for more specifics. If that person refuses to cooperate after I've given an honest effort, and especially if that person uses the opportunity to smugly deride my research abilities, that's when I determine I'm talking to a dishonest windbag.
 
I agree with the bolded part. There is no need to say "prove it" to everything, but I think it is unfair to say "I have proof, but find it yourself." And let's not pretend that doesn't get said by the same people again and again...

I agree with everything in bold above.

If someone claims a piece of information exists, whether within a document or on Google, even if I previously thought otherwise, I'll double check thoroughly to make sure. If I still can't find it, I don't automatically assume dishonesty- after all, I could have missed it, or perhaps the information wasn't explicit and I failed to read between the lines. I'll give that person the benefit of the doubt and ask for more specifics. If that person refuses to cooperate after I've given an honest effort, and especially if that person uses the opportunity to smugly deride my research abilities, that's when I determine I'm talking to a dishonest windbag.

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hey.. I think i'm on the list! :wave:

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In that case, you could simply say that it was so many years ago that you don't remember, rather than "Find it yourself." I wouldn't expect you to remember after so long, and even if it was just yesterday, it's perfectly okay if you just forgot. Saying, "I've given you all the information you need" vs "I'm sorry, I don't have more specific information" makes a difference. That's my point.

I didn't mean to address the point of troublemakers. I think their problem is their own, and we all have that ignore button if they really bother us that much. But since I've been accused of missing the point, I'll just say that I know there are people out there whose soul purpose in life is to make others suffer, but I would rather misjudge a cruel person as kind and treat him/her with courtesy than misjudge a kind person as cruel and treat him/her with discourtesy. Providing information that I have at my fingertips doesn't make me suffer, much to the troublemakers' distress. If said troublemakers refuse to access the information I provide, it's their loss as far as I'm concerned. If they choose to pursue the matter after ignoring my citation, they can wine and cry to me til they're blue in the face, and I won't waste my time with them. That's not my point though.

By the way, I didn't ask for a paragraph or line, and if you only have a rough guess where I might find it, that's just human, and that's perfectly alright with me. I'm not a university professor. If I were, this is not my classroom. If you aren't able to provide me with enough information, I'm not going to give you a bad grade. I'm perfectly capable of forgetting where I may have read certain things. In fact, it has happened many times.

So, am I clear? I don't mean that like a commander or something. I'm just asking if there's anything I can clarify. I'm not too good with words.

But the fact of the matter is, when you have been directed to a specific source, it is not a matter of "I've forgotten." It is a matter of I read the material and synthesized it into my knowlege base. Here is where you can find it.

You are doing fine with words, and with making your point.:)

Let me ask you this: Have you ever taken an open book exam? The instructor tells you which textbook the answer can be found in, but they certainly don't give you the exact page, paragraph, or line on which to find it.

The same with any type of paper you are writing. They may point you in the direction of specific journals or publications that would be useful for your topic. They don't however, give you links to articles, or tell you which articles in a particular journal contains specific information.

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he will eat for a lifetime. Learning requires that some effort be made on the behalf of the one learning. If one chooses not to make the effort, that is certainly their choice to make. However, if they are indeed serious about learning and gaining new information, they will make the effort. And it also weeds out the demands for a link that are being made simply to cause discord.
 
And that is when I will quote the previous post about 'why do some people feel entitled to be spoon fed this information. And teaching a man to fish. Nobody owes you anything cuz you got a bug up your butt about a particular issue. The issue is with you....not others.


If someone claims a piece of information exists, whether within a document or on Google, even if I previously thought otherwise, I'll double check thoroughly to make sure. If I still can't find it, I don't automatically assume dishonesty- after all, I could have missed it, or perhaps the information wasn't explicit and I failed to read between the lines. I'll give that person the benefit of the doubt and ask for more specifics. If that person refuses to cooperate after I've given an honest effort, and especially if that person uses the opportunity to smugly deride my research abilities, that's when I determine I'm talking to a dishonest windbag.
 
And that is when I will quote the previous post about 'why do some people feel entitled to be spoon fed this information. And teaching a man to fish. Nobody owes you anything cuz you got a bug up your butt about a particular issue. The issue is with you....not others.
So for trying to give the benefit of the doubt, I now carry a sense of entitlement and have a bug up my butt. Perhaps I should be quicker to just assume someone is a mendacious charlatan instead of giving them another chance to prove they're not.

By the way, everything you just said is wrong. It's explained in the Journal of Philosophy. Find it. Learn to fish. :)
 
But the fact of the matter is, when you have been directed to a specific source, it is not a matter of "I've forgotten." It is a matter of I read the material and synthesized it into my knowlege base. Here is where you can find it.

You are doing fine with words, and with making your point.:)

Let me ask you this: Have you ever taken an open book exam? The instructor tells you which textbook the answer can be found in, but they certainly don't give you the exact page, paragraph, or line on which to find it.

The same with any type of paper you are writing. They may point you in the direction of specific journals or publications that would be useful for your topic. They don't however, give you links to articles, or tell you which articles in a particular journal contains specific information.

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he will eat for a lifetime. Learning requires that some effort be made on the behalf of the one learning. If one chooses not to make the effort, that is certainly their choice to make. However, if they are indeed serious about learning and gaining new information, they will make the effort. And it also weeds out the demands for a link that are being made simply to cause discord.

If you're talking about like if you read the big book, and what you said to me was something you understood from the book as a result of reading the entire thing, then that makes sense. In other words, to your knowledge, the fact in question isn't explicitly stated anywhere in the book, but it is implied by the content of the book in whole. That'd be fine. I could accept that. I might even read the book if I was that interested.

In a casual setting, I don't like my conversations to be instructor/student style though. It's more comfortable to be more friendly. I'm a deaf student attending a hearing institution. Believe me, nobody helps me with my research. They don't even know how to communicate with me. I do my own all the time. I know how to do it. It's just that, why should I do something that's already been done? It's not like I need to prove that I know how to do it. I wouldn't ask you to search for the information if you didn't already have it on hand unless it was something that you really wanted me to know. Those tools trying to waste my time don't bother me. The only time they're wasting is their own. I have no fear of ignoring bullies, and that's what they are if their clear intent is to make trouble (even though some think they're being sly and wise, trying to make us think they're being sincere so that they can see how long they can get away with it, then laugh when they think they had us fooled).
 
Sounds like there are two camps even on this thread. The "do your own research" camp and the "provide the research" camp.
 
interesting topic... but i think people should get along don't reply if to a topic if it makes them upset... 2nd of all I hope those issues can be resolved sooner or later :) besides i hadn't been around for a while so figures so I have alot to catch up but nah I'm here then *poof* gone.. ;)
 
Well, this camper is rolling out his big fluffy sleeping bag and calling it a night. I'll catch up later if there's anything more.
 
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