Canada's health care collapsing...not sustainable says doctors

Frisky Feline said:
where did you get the ideas?? just curious. If someone who have no health insurances and go to canada which makes sense to me. :dunno:
Click to expand...

drawback is - you need to know a friend in Canada who is willing to be declared as your legal common partner. That is a fraud.
 
souggy said:
......2) Our healthcare problems are at a provincial level. If there are any problems with the healthcare system, it is the provincial government's fault. All you have to do is look at that government's history to see where they are going to have their shortfalls. B.C. is experiencing problems because they are putting almost all of our tax dollars into the whole Olympics thing. So right now, BC taxpayers are demanding the provinical government to stop spending money on the Winter Olympics and put it toward more subsiding healthcare and lowering living costs.......
Click to expand...


So, it's true. That explains why there is a shortage of masks in BC. Eeeek! I thought BC residents were happy about the winter Olympics coming..

Is it possible for BC government to order extra medical supplies from other provincial government like Alberta?
 
Barbaro said:
So, it's true. That explains why there is a shortage of masks in BC. Eeeek! I thought BC residents were happy about the winter Olympics coming..

Is it possible for BC government to order extra medical supplies from other provincial government like Alberta?
Click to expand...

We are happy about the Olympics, we are just not happy about how much of the government budget is going into it. We like the Olympics as it is, we just don't see why the government continue pouring money into it during a tourist recession. Although, it is not a really new thing for B.C. residents since Campbell has been doing it for years-- yet the morons keep voting him back in. If it wasn't for the Olympics, it would be something else that is counter-productive like wilderness resort tourism.
 
souggy said:
We are happy about the Olympics, we are just not happy about how much of the government budget is going into it. We like the Olympics as it is, we just don't see why the government continue pouring money into it during a tourist recession. Although, it is not a really new thing for B.C. residents since Campbell has been doing it for years-- yet the morons keep voting him back in. If it wasn't for the Olympics, it would be something else that is counter-productive like wilderness resort tourism.
Click to expand...

I just looked up a quick wiki on Campbell.

"British Columbia won the right to host the 2010 Winter Olympics on July 2, 2003. This was a joint Winter Olympics bid by Vancouver and the ski resort of Whistler. Cost overruns have cost Canadian taxpayers over 9 billion dollars in security and building costs."

9 billion dollars for the Winter Olympics? For real?

And um, I am not aware he has a mugshot.... Oh, dear, they keep voting him back in after he screwed up?
 
Yep. He said those things. Plus I cleaned up a little bit. It was somebody else's transcript. Somewhat sloppy in missing a few words. And added what was missing...courtesy of me. Remember, Canada has 34 million, we have 300 plus million, and Canada is already suffering. Imagine with 300 plus million people in the U.S. It's simply a financial disaster waiting to happen. Pure and simple.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo1RymX9GZc[/ame]

FULL TRANSCRIPT courtesy of...kokonut

Bill O'Reilly: INTRO - Joining us from Vancouver, Dr. Brian Day, othorpedic surgeon and former president of the Canadian Medical Association.

Bill O'Reilly: Dr. Day what is the biggest problem with your health care system in Canada?

Dr. Brian Day: Well, the biggest problem is access. By access, I mean, we have, in the Canadian system the first line of defense for a sick patient is the family doctor. And, in a population of 33 million, 5 million Canadians do not have family doctors....

*interrupts*

Bill O'Reilly: Uh, ok. So, you don't have enough doctors. Uh, and is it because the doctors don't get paid as well as they get paid in the United States? Per, per 100,000 you're down about 30% from where we are. We have 30% more doctors per 100,000. Is it because you don't pay them as well?

Dr. Brian Day: No, no. We rank 26 out of 28 in the developed countries in the number of doctors to population. It's part of the, the, the mechanism of rationing that has to happen when you promise to deliver everything and don't have enough, uh, resources.

Bill O'Reilly: Ok. So, you have enough doctors but you have too many, uh, cases, too much illnesses to treat and people get out of line and they have to wait. Is that a major problem rationing in Canada? Are people suffering because they cannot get in to see a doctor?

Dr. Brian Day: Oh yes. We have over a million people waiting for surgery and probably another million waiting to see their specialist before they get to wait for the surgery. And that's out of a population of, uh, 34 million.

Bill O'Reillin: We have 300, uh, 300 plus million. Well that's very disturbing. Obama says if we pass this trillion dollar bill over 10 years health care costs will go down in the United States. You're saying that in Canada they have skyrocketed. So, I'm just saying, this is what we're hearing, we don't know, does it seem plausible to you that if Obamacare gets passed our costs are going to come down?

Dr. Brian Day: Uh, I, I don't think so. Because Canada's system, for instance, was just rated on a value money basis by a European group that rates all European countries. Alongside with 29 European countries that were rated Canada come in bottom in value for money.

O'Reilly: Wow. Alright doctor we appreciate your......fades away.
Click to expand...
 
Why didn't Bill ask Dr. Brian Day about the provincial governments? It seems that many reporters were interviewing Canadian doctors about the 'Canadian' system, not the 'provincial' systems like BC, Alberta, etc. The US media said nothing about provincial systems except the 'Canadian' system, which give people ideas that 'Canadian' system (the Canadian federal government) run health care, not the provincial governments.
 
Barbaro said:
The US media said nothing about provincial systems except the 'Canadian' system, which give people ideas that 'Canadian' system (the Canadian federal government) run health care, not the provincial governments.
Click to expand...

Not surprised that the U.S. media view it as such. A lot of Canadians here think universal healthcare is a constitutional right-- for lack of better wording for our Charter. I am going to laugh when the people find out that it is not IF provincial government starts cutting back and dismantle the healthcare systems individually. Hell, Ralph Klein tried to do it. Not that it will happen, but it is the reason why I advocate for universal healthcare to be handled at a federal level.

And does anyone else have a problem lip-reading Brian Day? Urgh...
 
Universal Health care is unsustainable, except for Congresspeople who got theirs.
War is perpertual, and highly lucrative for a few well bred politicians.
It's the American way.
Gawd bless 'murika.
 
Universal Health care is unsustainable, except for Congresspeople who got theirs.
War is perpertual, and highly lucrative for a few well-bred politicians.
It's the American way.
Gawd bless 'murika.
 
Liebling, it's not about whether they like it. Sure, they like it because they don't pay for the services and care. This is a matter whether Canada (her provinces) can continue with their health care system when it's already becoming a burgeoning problem and taxing the system already. It's the doctors and economists realizing the impending problem coming at them fast.

http://www.institutmolinari.org/pubs/note20092en.pdf
 
They do pay for their health care. They pay taxes. We pay high taxes but all we get is war and corporate bail outs.
 
sallylou said:
They do pay for their health care. They pay taxes. We pay high taxes but all we get is war and corporate bail outs.
Click to expand...

Iraq war will be complete in 2011 so we will continue with Afghan war and spending would become less.
 
sallylou said:
My friends in Canada are very happy with their health care. I'm sure that there are problems because there are problems in any system. This article says that doctors are working to improve the system. The article does not a support your position.
Click to expand...

I am a Canadian and I am not happy with my country's socialized health care system.
 
Royale said:
I am a Canadian and I am not happy with my country's socialized health care system.
Click to expand...

Do you go to private health care in Canada or come to US? Just wonders.
 
Actually, the Canadian Health Care system is becoming more and more a two-tier systems. Some of our health care services are private where we are paying for their services. Based on my past experiences, private health services are much better than socialized health care in terms of quality, access, and time of recovery.
 
Royale said:
Actually, the Canadian Health Care system is becoming more and more a two-tier systems. Some of our health care services are private where we are paying for their services. Based on my past experiences, private health services are much better than socialized health care in terms of quality, access, and time of recovery.
Click to expand...

Oh interesting, it sounds like good competition on between public and private.

I think UK has private health care if anyone dislike NHS, I would goes with private health care if I have enough money to get private insurance.
 
Back
Top